Should Kapler Be Fired?

[zambonir]

Well if he wasn't fired today he won't be fired before Monday presumably. But I think if there was as much talk of firing him upstairs as some people here would like to think, he could have and perhaps would have already been canned. Mackanin was fired on the last Friday of the season and the decision had been made before then - during organizational meetings earlier that week. We know they've already had those meetings this time too.

[Ric20]

The Core you are talking about will not be enough for Middleton 23,000 in the ballpark won't make him happy my friend & I have been a fan since 1963 so I know what you seem to understand is pure BS . Why do you think he signed Harper to put 23,000 asses in the seats get real !

[Ric20]

Charlies report to Middleton is not going to be good that is the reason he is in the dugout Kapler is gone on Monday !

[Ric20]

Stop Utley is a west coast guy he is not bring his family back here fulltime not happening !

[schillingfan]

Charlies report to Middleton is not going to be good that is the reason he is in the dugout Kapler is gone on Monday !

Do you have inside knowledge of this or are you imposing your beliefs on Charle?

[zambonir]

It would really be embarassing if that theory was true. The owner has to hire a hitting coach to spy on the clubhouse, over the head of the president and the general manager? If that's how the organization really worked, the problem is definitely not the manager. And if that's what Charlie was really there to do no wonder the hitting didn't get better.

As far as the timing, if he wasn't getting fired they could have said so by now too of course.

[baseballoldie]

A new manager isn't going to put fans in the seats. You are talking about Philly Phans and we all know a winning team is the only thing that the Phans want. Bringing in the next high priced free agent doesn't guarantee a winning team. The optimism with this team was high at the beginning of the year and the team played well the first half. But it is apparent that something is not clicking with players and coaches in the 2nd half. Kapler doesn't appear capable of generating winning attitudes and/or confidence with this group of players. Something has to change.

[Philsmania]

My ideal owner would be someone Vince McMahon.

[zambonir]

No question, I'd rather have the Steinbrenner/Mark Cuban type owner than Bill Giles, or any corporate situation. But the modern Yankees really found sustainable success once George got out of the way. Fans relate to owners who share their passion but that doesn't make them good owners. Middleton is looking very Mr. Snider, except without the track record of actually building something (in sports or otherwise).

Supposedly Salisbury was on a radio show tonight and said he smells it coming.

[Ric20]

Charlie was put in the dugout by one man & that was Middleton whom he works for as an adviser what do you think is embarrassing about that . What is it the you don't get ?????

[Ric20]

Kapler will be not Fired Monday because he is Jewish Holiday !

[frylock]

Also didn't realize this thread started last year, haha.

I think he HAS to go. Too many boneheaded decisions out of the dugout to believe he is competent. And two second-half collapses don't speak well to his ability to motivate. Obviously, in both instances, you can't pin EVERYTHING on him (i.e. pitching staff, injuries, etc.), but they still are playing below their capabilities, IMO. We have a losing record VS the Marlins and will finish behind Arizona, a deadline seller. Just not getting most of the talent we have, albeit being a flawed team both years.

Definitely want him gone, but I will say he does come across as intelligent -- yet does dumb things. With some reflection and more experience, he's the type of guy who I wouldn't be surprised if he finds success down the road.

Next focus will be the Front Office. But I was satisfied with this past offseason (I believe there were metrics and reason to make an informed bet on the young pitching), but even though I am not a big Kuechel guy (did not want a long-term deal with him), it does boggle my mind they never even contacted him. The one-year deal he signed with Atlanta wasn't unreasonable. Plus the whole farm system being bad even after a rebuild, but who knows whose fault it is (was interesting conversation I read from many posters before discussing drafting, systematic development problems, etc.). Another disappointing season though, and I think he, MacPhail, etc. should be sweating it.

[Squire]

Joe Maddon is now available

[mdougherty12]

Clint Hurdle is also available.

[zambonir]

One thing about this front office is they rarely leak big stuff. Which is to say, it's hard to tell whether the lack of any real gossip is indicative of that, or no move. Because (as with these guys) you'd think they'd just want to tell Gabe this morning, especially given the late start of the game.

[zambonir]

I guess the big question now is if they announce a morning press conference.

[Philsmania]

Clint Hurdle is also available.

As is his pitching coach Ray Searage.

[Philsmania]

I guess the big question now is if they announce a morning press conference.

As was said in another thread, likely not out of respect for Kapler's Jewish faith. Rosh Hoshanna began at sundown.

[Ric20]

Monday is a Jewish Holiday Gabe is Jewish not happening !

[zambonir]

Well, I'm Jewish and going to work tomorrow, and I seriously doubt the players aren't allowed to pack up and leave tomorrow (though it seems all the exit interviews were completed in-season). Also, if I was practicing/religious, I'd need Tuesday off too.

IMO if it was a 100% done deal they would have announced it this morning (as the Cubs and Pirates did). Even if I certainly think it's trending in that direction.

Given what a clown show the organization is so far this year I could totally see Middleton going to a secret meeting in Hazleton before he actually fires Gabe.