Phillies at the Trade Deadline

[bigegypt0417]

they traded a lottery ticket for a lottery ticket...up until this season, he had decent numbers...misses bats.

Let's not paint this as a trade of top prospects.

[andyb]

Ogle is not on the 40. I have not seen whether he would be recalled immediately and I kind of doubt it. He'll need to be protected this offseason so it could easily happen at some point in the year, but I think this was more about the proximity of rule 5 eligibility and the Pirates wanted someone who they would not have to protect. Gutierrez will be eligible, but he is probably a couple of years away from some other club actually taking him in the draft. You can't stash players on the 40-man roster like teams used to.

And the Pirates clearly liked the catcher who the Phillies also likely ranked behind several other young catching prospects like O'Hoppe.

[bigegypt0417]

Horrible rumors that the phillies are offering Spencer Howard for Kyle Gibson...that seems a bit off.

[saycheese]

The Phillies are no longer in pursuit of Gibson according to my source price was too high to get him. Kind of funny that it seems like the media is two the three hours behind on everything. I am being told that unless the prices come down last minute the Phillies will stand pat at the deadline. Don't hurt me on this, just passing on what I was told

[bigegypt0417]

Twins were able to get two top prospects for Berrios...they seem to be using desperation to get a big price.

[saycheese]

I will say that is one thing about Dombrowksi I don't think he will cave to desperation. Just my thoughts on that. Lets see if Gibson does get dealt elsewhere and for what.

[Taudawg]

The Phillies probably don’t have what it takes to deal for a game changing player(s) unless they include top prospects. They are wise not to do so. However, if they choose not to buy because the prices are too steep, they should sell what they can.

[bkox]

Phillies are among 6/7 teams checking in on Byron Buxton. With the Berrios deal, things have heated up. Phillies love BB for CF.

— Jon Heyman ( @JonHeyman ) July 30, 2021

[saycheese]

I am trying to figure out what prices are too steep means. If teams are asking for Bohm or Stott or Abel in deals as Stark is reporting for 4th or 5th starters then yeah the price is too steep. I wouldn't do that either. But you can't tell me we can't come up with somebody to be a competent 5th starter

[bkox]

Phillies, Brewers among many teams checking on Ian Kennedy. Everyone in contention wants/needs relief.

— Jon Heyman ( @JonHeyman ) July 30, 2021

[bkox]

Stupid question... is my posting tweets about the goings on helpful? I feel like I might be over posting.. especially if everyone has twitter and is seeing this stuff for themselves. I dont want to be a nuisance.

[DurhamBull]

Even if the Phils accomplish the improbable and win the NL East, I can't see them making it far into the postseason regardless of whether or not they land a big name via trade. Even Scherzer (I know, he's already traded) or Buxton is only one player on the field. IMO, making this team playoff-worthy this season requires filling too many holes (streaky hitters, mediocre fielding, a bullpen where any pitcher could implode one night and it wouldn't raise eyebrows, etc.). For that reason I hope the Phils avoid trades focused on making this season better and instead focus on 2022 and after. It's boring, but I think it's the best course.

[Patchmk88]

I can’t get on Twitter at work so it’s useful to me.

[Taudawg]

If all we get today is a 5th starter, the Phillies aren’t going to win anything. So why make that move at all.

Too steep is subjective and Dombrowski’s idea of too steep is probably different than mine. I wouldn’t give up anything inside the Phillies top 10 prospects for a rental of any kind. The proposed deal for Tyler Anderson (2022 control) was fair and if Dombrowski can make several moves of that sort, he should go for it.

[saycheese]

Winning the NL East and getting into the playoffs would be great. Its been so long since this town has seen playoff baseball. Who cares if they lose in the first series. Getting there gets a renewed enthusiasm for the team. The attendance is down not just in Philly but at all of their minor league teams. There just isn't any juice with this team. For nothing more than excitement they should be trying to make the playoffs. Now doing it wisely makes the most sense. Don't trade away top prospects for rentals etc.

[DurhamBull]

Winning the NL East and getting into the playoffs would be great.

I probably place less value on winning the division than you do, but yeah, it'd be nice to see them in the playoffs even if they get clobbered in the first round.

[HopeSpringsEternal]

Stupid question... is my posting tweets about the goings on helpful?

I don't use Twitter, so your posts are helpful to me bkox. Thanks

[bkox]

Kimbrel off the board.. Going to the ChiSox

[California_Dreamin]

In my opinion, of course winning the NL East matters, regardless of what happens in the playoffs. Must it always be championship or bust? Sure don't recall that being the case in 2007, even though a mere 4 days later the Phils were ousted. What it did was set up a huge amount of enthusiasm and confidence heading into the 2008 season [and beyond] and we all know where lead to as well as giving the Phillies phans tremendous confidence that Gillick could finish the job, not to mention management.

Dombrowski is in a very similar position, a future HOF guy who brought an awful lot of winning and success with him to Philadelphia. Winning the NL East sets up a huge number of possibilities for the off season...more credibility with free agents [including Boras, who represents Harper], greater ticket sales at the box office, a sense that baseball is back in Philadelphia, and an optimistic view of the future. Right now the team has none of that and while I am a big DD supporter I don't sense the same feelings with many of the phaithful.

To have the attitude that "oh well, we can't beat the Dodgers anyhow" seems foolish and short sighted to me. I suspect the Nats fans are glad that team didn't feel that way in 2019, not to mention the Cards in 2011. If memory recalls the Phils were already scheduled to be on the cover of SI in late October of that year. Unless memory fails me, Pujols was not a Phillie that year.

[zambonir]

Winning the division and playing two NLDS home games would be more than worth it, and merely making the NLCS would be very worth it. And they are currently 4-0 against their likely NLDS opponent.

But seeing how timid they have been I'm with Taudawg, if all they have the ability to trade for is, "another Chase Anderson and Brandon Kintzler, except this time better," I'd rather sell. And that is doubly true when you see the Cubs and Nationals being so aggressive. The Phillies competitive window should have just been opening as the Nats' was closing, but when your team is all free agents you only get 3-4 years, not 5-7. And we never even competed, really.

People keep saying they'd rather focus on 2022 but clearly there are no deals to be made which will do that that don't involve a heavy prospect price. Even giving up Howard, for all his troubles, removes talent from next year's picture.

Dombrowski may have the rep for being bold, and as a short-termer, but he's also not completely dumb. He knows he doesn't have much to work with/can't afford to trade away too much future. At the very least, in March, he was probably expecting to be able to trade Haseley or Moniak or Kingery, or even for Bohm and Didi to be good enought to put Stott in play (since he's blocked until 2023).