2024 Trade Deadline Speculation

[zambonir]

Nola has not been at all marginal. And Turnbull and Walker are exactly who they want pitching in September, maybe Phillips too in a six-man, to save wear on the 3-4 most important guys.

If two of the Phillies three All-Star pitchers aren't any good in September and October so be it. There are like 10 other teams out there that need starting pitching more, it's not where the trade assets should be going.

Crochet only makes $800 K this year so I think his extension would be more like Sanchez's. I mean, he can say he wants an extension but you can't make a team pay him free agent rates.

[bkox]

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— MLB ( @MLB ) July 26, 2024

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Mets 30th ranked prospect

[Aquapong]

Nola’s 3.44 era gets so little credit. Suarez and Sanchez were out pitching him earlier in the year, but it’s not like Nola’s been a scrub.

[Jazzhead]

I can see trading for a starter, especially if one of the benefits is to be able to more quickly move to a six-man rotation until the playoffs. Also, Suarez could be moved to the bullpen to address that issue (although his left-handedness doesn't really fit there. )

It bothers me that Thompson doesn't appear to want to stretch out any of his relievers to go two innings at a time. I think that's an important piece of an effective bullpen, and a job that Ranger could do. (Strahmie was touted as being able to fill this role, but he's only been used one inning at a time.)

[andyb]

I just don't see another starter as helping much in October unless they are really good. Teams only need 4 starters then and we have 4 pretty good ones (and 3 more potential arms to suck up innings in games before then in Phillips, Turnbull, and Walker).

Deals we make should improve the team in October which really looks like another short reliever that can fill high leverage innings. Scott, Finnegan, and Estevez would satisfy that need. I still think we might also add a left-handed bat. This is not just because Hays is only average against RHP. It is really that both Stott and Marsh have not been great and pushing them back in the lineup would not be the worst thing. I just don't think Dahl or Clemens moves the needle much more than as injury replacements.

[Jazzhead]

I still think we might also add a left-handed bat.

Alex Verdugo is on the outs with the Yankees, and could likely be acquired without much more than our agreeing to pick up his salary (which is about the same as Merrifield)

[zambonir]

It would be nice, if (when) they get that higher-end arm, to use Strahm and Hoffman for more multi-inning spots. Alvarado is capable of it too but only if he's getting out RHBs.

But I feel like people are always on here wishing the bullpen was run like it was 1979 and then in September they complain that the bullpen was overused. The science and intense focus on match-ups in 2024 is just going to mean they'd rather get two one-innng outings every three days from the most possible pitchers. At the end of the day Thomson's bullpen management (which also obviously comes from Cotham and the front office) is as good as we've ever seen, and the best bullpen we've seen without it necessarily being the most talented or star-laden (though it's certainly the deepest).

How does acquiring a LHB push Marsh or Stott down the line-up? It would just be an extra guy to PH for Rojas or Hays when those two are already playing. Another chess piece, which they should certainly should get, but to get one who is really that much better than Dahl or Clemens means a higher trade price or playing time that's not really available.

[Austinfan]

At this point I'd just add a RP without breaking the bank.
Is there a LH hitter who'd be content to sit on the bench who's significantly better than Clemons, Hall or Marchan hitting from the left side?

[andyb]

Is there a LH hitter who'd be content to sit on the bench who's significantly better than Clemons, Hall or Marchan hitting from the left side?

There are dozens, probably 50 of them around baseball and yes, many would be happy to have the long platoon on a good playoff team. Hays will be content to platoon also. It is what he was doing in Baltimore. Marsh is content. Rojas is content. A good manager deals with this stuff and players are all not as selfish as you imply.

[zambonir]

Yeah but how are they going to be the long platoon on the Phillies if they intend to play Hays every day? And if they don't intend to do that, won't Marsh still get those starts in LF? It's a 1-2 start a week bench role at best. Jake Cave in his second time around (when everyone was healthy), essentially. I would certainly like to see someone of a higher caliber step to the plate for a key PH in October but they may prefer defense/utility (i.e. Clemens).

This is where you miss the waiver trade period. Actually, that might be something for Dombrowski to keep in mind, we could see more than one team do what the Angels did last year.

[andyb]

The idea is that they would not play Hays every day. Plans can change in a hurry. If Hays does not hit right-handed pitching well they don't exactly have a backup plan if they go past the deadline. Everybody in AAA is mediocre.

[zambonir]

Well, Dombrowski may be keeping his cards close, but I don't really think that is something they are concerned about. Plan A is Hays plays every day with Marsh and Rojas platooning in CF, Plan B is a Hays/Marsh platoon in LF and Rojas continues to be the starting CF, which is fine because of his defense and because there won't be a dead bat in LF 1/3 of the time. Rojas has started 49 games against RHP and 22 against LHP; that will change if Hays takes away all of Marsh's playing time in LF, but it doesn't have to change. As it is, they are gambling on a defensive downgrade at both spots (since Marsh is a better LF than Hays and is not as good as CF as Rojas).

Like I said, I'd prefer to see someone better than Dahl or Clemens hit for Rojas in the 8th inning of a game the Phillies trail but I don't think that someone is going to deserve to start three or four times a week over Marsh or Rojas.

[RolenRules]

Well Verdugo was on the outs with the Red Sox last year, and his OPS vs. right handed pitchers this year is .693, so I think the Ohils should look elsewhere if they feel they need another left handed bat.

[Austinfan]

Not platoon, sit on the bench.
With Marsh/Hayes, unless you find a LH CF with plus defense, there is no more platoons.
So that LH bat is primarily going to PH.

[andyb]

Hays has been awful against RHP this year. The Phillies of course are saying the right things about him after the trade. 585 OPS. Only 4 walks in over 100 plate appearances. And his name is Hays, not Hayes.

[andyb]

I wonder if the Phillies are thinking about something close to Bowden's proposed Crochet and Robert deal now. Crawford, Abel, Aldegheri, and Caba. Serious price for 2 players. Crochet could step in the rotation immediately and go to the bullpen when Ranger or Turnbull is back. Robert steps in for Rojas and improves the CF situation. Marsh back into a platoon with Hays but more depth all around.

Trading for Garrett Crochet: Which teams (and prospect packages) could land him?

[Austinfan]

Can I vomit now?

[andyb]

It's why we want to have a good draft. Prospects are there to be traded if the big club has a need.

[Austinfan]

Not your top prospects, when Houston traded with us, they gave 3 prospects that were blocked by 3 better prospects.

[bkox]

BREAKING: The New York Yankees are finalizing a deal to acquire outfielder Jazz Chisholm from the Miami Marlins, sources tell ESPN.

— Jeff Passan ( @JeffPassan ) July 27, 2024