2022 MLB Trade Deadline Rumors and Discussion

[Dirk41]

I just don't think we ever entered it.

[allentown]

An organization grows based on home-grown stars. Nola is our home-grown star and he's in his prime. You don't trade him.

[David_Criss]

I think back to "all the mega prospects", the Phillies got for Hamels, Lee, even Ken Giles and all the "prospects" they gave up for Pence, Lee and Halliday. How many of the prospects became game changers?

[bkox]

I think back to "all the mega prospects", the Phillies got for Hamels, Lee, even Ken Giles and all the "prospects" they gave up for Pence, Lee and Halliday. How many of the prospects became game changers?

just one has moe than 5 WAR in the MLB. Carlos Carrasco.

People always hope that a deal turns out like a james shields for Fernando Tatis or Sandberg for DeJesus... but those deals are talked about so much because they are rare.

[EDmuch]

My choice would be Quintana.

[phillychuck]

Quintana's price could be pretty reasonable, too.

[zambonir]

An organization grows based on home-grown stars. Nola is our home-grown star and he's in his prime. You don't trade him.

That he is homegrown is immaterial at this point. Trading him just wouldn't make the team better, this year or next year, and he is also not easily replaced (unlike Hoskins or the current version of Castellanos). No less true of Wheeler.

Doesn't mean you don't move him - or anyone - in the off-season if you get creative but the Reds are not the Rays, and the Phillies are not either team. Nola's highest value to them is the 18 months of games he can still play for them, and perhaps a draft pick. Of course if they are in last place at this time next year you trade him.

[Lucky_Beagle]

I would be shocked if there is a player currently on the Phillies major league roster who is traded at the deadline unless it is Stubbs (because a team wants him more than a minor league catcher and the PHils are ok with bringing Sands/Marchan up to be the back up the rest of the season.) The only other one could be Vierling if he is part of a trade for right handed hitting center fielder.
I think everyone else is needed and or wouldn't be wanted by the teams the PHillies are likely to make a trade with if any trades are made.

[allentown]

No, it is not irrelevant. It is an important aspect in building and maintaining fan identification with the Phillies. When the Phillies lost stars in their prime, like Richie Allen, not-really-a-performance star Larry Bowa, and the first-blossomed-in-Philly Curt Schiling it damaged the organization. Admittedly not as bad as trading nascent stars Jack Sanford, Ryne Sandberg, and Ferguson Jenkins.

[EDmuch]

Another player currently on the roster who could be traded is Bailey Falter himself. I could see Pittsburgh willing to take him back to replace Quintana as part of a package.

[zambonir]

But Nola likely is leaving as a free agent. And won't be in his prime by then either. If you trade him it is because you are rebuilding or making a really good trade before you lose him for almost nothing, not for the mostly bad reasons the Phillies made those other trades. Trading any player that good right now would be bad; the emotional connection to a homegrown player wouldn't really make it a worse trade. Heck, trading Wheeler would be a worse trade.

[Aquapong]

I don’t know why we would trade Nola unless it was next year and we were out of contention.

[zambonir]

Dirk was mostly just noting how huge the package was for Castillo. Arguably it was more than we got for Hamels who had more years (but made a lot more money). There was a lot of "trade Nola" talk last season, since it seemed like he may hit a ceiling, but that ended with Eflin's injury - and he has since gone past that ceiling again.

A team like Tampa is really good at trading players before they become overpaid/in decline, but they are also forced to do that for budget reasons - and are really good at replacing them. The Phillies need to master that part first.

[andyb]

ust one has moe than 5 WAR in the MLB. Carlos Carrasco.

Travis D'Arnaud too (though BR shockingly only has him at 5.1 WAR with all the injuries and so-so defense. He seems better than that though I think he scuffled even when healthy the first few years. Was in the Halladay trade.

[zambonir]

It is a complicated balance. Most prospects fail. But you also can't afford to trade them all away. In part because most of them fail!

But the Phillies didn't get any mega prospects for Cliff Lee. That was a salary dump and he was a pending free agent (albeit with a full rather than half-season and Seattle probably did better in July because there was less $ involved. And then of course the Phillies signed him in free agency!). They did give up a mega prospect in Drabek, who failed but that doesn't mean he wasn't extremely valuable at the time. Ditto the other pitcher in the Cleveland Lee deal who was younger and had known injuries.

Recent history (Sanchez. Howard, Gowdy) suggests that in the end the Phillies will be doing well if just one of the current bandied pitching trio pans out, and really well if two of them do. And they may yet trade one of them.

But probably not this year. The reality, IMO, is the Phillies are only in the 6th wild card race, and possibly with the Brewers rather than the Cardinals. They could get to 5th but they are not going to be making a run at the Mets or Braves. And the Mets, Braves and Cardinals will likely all improve more than the Phillies (on paper at the deadline I mean, Phils obviously counting on their injured guys coming back too).

The kind of moves the Phillies made in 2008, 2009 and 2010 were due to being an actual top contender, not a fringe playoff team.

[flyers19rw]

Mad Bum is a player that might meet DD's requirements. He is signed for some term which DD likes. He's far from being the player that he once was but he'd be a fit as a middle rotation guy at this point in his career. AZ probably wouldn't need a haul in return for him since his contract is expensive.

[BostonRoss]

On the other hand, trading Rick Wise, Willie Montanez, and Kevin Stocker turned out very well.

[Squire]

Phillies have acquired INF Edmundo Sosa from the Cardinals

[bkox]

Daniel Bard is finalizing a contract extension with the Rockies, per source. One of the better relievers on the trade market is no longer available.

— Mark Feinsand ( @Feinsand ) July 30, 2022

[allentown]

Not exactly a prime guy. Whom does he replace. Poor hitter, plus fielder. Can play IF. Hope we didn't give up anyone of consequence.