Phillies Hot Stove Discussion 2021-22

[Aquapong]

How about Ketel Marte from the Dbacks for LF? It would give us a leadoff hitter…not in a conventional position though. Give Bohm a change of scenery and maybe Franklin Morales?

[bkox]

The Phillies have tendered contracts for the 2022 season to LHP José Alvarado, RHP Zach Eflin and 1B Rhys Hoskins. Additionally, OF Roman Quinn has been non-tendered.

— Philadelphia Phillies ( @Phillies ) December 1, 2021

The Phillies cleared a 40-man roster spot by not tendering Kyle Dohy a contract then re-signing him to a minor-league deal. They’re at 39 on the 40.

— Matt Gelb ( @MattGelb ) December 1, 2021

[bkox]

Braves Non-Tender Richard Rodriguez....

Thoughts on adding him to the Phillies pen?

[zambonir]

Personally I would’ve kept Odubel and put him in LF.

Odubel is extremely available!

[bkox]

As of now, Phillies are one of eight teams yet to spend $1 in major-league free agency. The others: Diamondbacks, Reds, Guardians, Royals, Twins*, A's, Padres. (Twins spent $100m on Buxton extension.)

League business expected to freeze at 11:59 p.m.

— Matt Gelb ( @MattGelb ) December 1, 2021

[fish]

Braves Non-Tender Richard Rodriguez....

Thoughts on adding him to the Phillies pen?

I'd probably take him on a 3 million dollar deal. Homer -prone relievers aren't something they need, but he would be a reliable 6-7th inning reliever.

I might be more interested in Johan Camargo- he hit really well at AAA last year. I'm not familiar with his defensive work, but if he's adequate at all the infield spots he'd be a better backup 3b option than anything else they have.

[David_Criss]

As of now, Phillies are one of eight teams yet to spend $1 in major-league free agency. The others: Diamondbacks, Reds, Guardians, Royals, Twins*, A's, Padres. (Twins spent $100m on Buxton extension.)

League business expected to freeze at 11:59 p.m.

— Matt Gelb (@MattGelb) December 1, 2021

Looking at who signed for what I'm ok with DD standing pat. Would have like Graveman and Neris for the pen and Story at short and Robbie Ray in the rotation, but not at those prices. James Praxton who has pitched a total of 6-games over 3 years got $10million. Noah Syndergaard who tossed 2 innings last season got $21million...There are plenty of really good players left so no need to panic. I like the fact that a lot of teams won't be bidding or will be limited in their bidding because of their crazy spending before tonight.

[Aquapong]

Stacking up bp pitchers like cordwood. Maybe we’re going the Rays way of bullpenning most games.

[EDmuch]

I agree. While I have been admittedly frustrated by the lack of action, in general I am not impressed by the high price paid in most of the signings so far. Marte is the only one I might have been interested in at teh price he ultimately received. But even there, I am willing to wait and see what DD comes up with in the outfield.

[julio]

...in general I am not impressed by the high price paid in most of the signings so far...

I could be wrong, but I don't believe we have enough solid information about club finances - of the truth about club finances - to evaluate whether these salaries are inappropriate.

Inappropriate, that is, from a strict bottom-line, organizational revenues vs. costs perspective. From a social perspective, they're obscene – but of course, that applies essentially all top-end entertainment earnings, to top-end corporate salaries, etc. But I see no reason whey MLB's salaries should not be reflective of the realities of our society; $40 million/year for a top baseball player, $40 million for a top actor to star in a movie, $40 million for a corporate CEO... what is the difference, really?

[zambonir]

I think you can believe the players are deserving of the money while also hoping your team spends wisely (if not cheaply) - or that other teams are spending unwisely. Ryan Howard deserved every dime he ever made from that last contract, if only in the context of his whole career, but his richly deserved compensation was not commensurate with his performance and the Phillies' needs at the time. I'm very happy for Max Scherzer and his family but glad my team won't be paying him in 2024.

[andyb]

I think there is a strong chance that almost none of the recent 40-man roster acquisitions actually make it through the offseason on the 40-man roster. This includes everyone but Stubbs who is the favorite for backup catcher. Emanuel, Lopez, Moss, Sherriff, Sands. They are all candidates to be removed when we sign free agents or trade for new players.

Nelson is the one pitcher they probably think has a good chance of making the roster. There is probably a pecking order among the other pitchers, but they really are just holding down a roster spot and the Phillies are hoping to slip them through waivers later in the offseason when most teams have a full roster (which in normal times is after the winter meetings and the rule 5 draft).

I am not worried by the Phillies' inaction. I do wonder if they are waiting for compensation to go away for the few players tied to that they might be interested in.

[bkox]

but glad my team won't be paying him in 2024

When he wins his sixth Cy Young

[Squire]

Phillies have a deal with RHP Corey Knebel

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1466139959455268865

[andyb]

Definitely some upside with Knebel if the price is right. He is relatively young (30) and is far enough away from the TJ surgery to think he is healthy now, especially with his stuff being much better in 2021 than in 2020.

[bigegypt0417]

So is he the closer?

Closer by committee?

[andyb]

Girardi seems to dislike closer by committee and likes set roles. I do expect them to bring in another late inning arm, but I also think that arm may not necessarily be better than Knebel. Girardi still probably picks one for the closer role.

I also keep coming back to Coonrod and Alvarado. Neither will be near the closer role at the beginning of the year, but each has the stuff to claim it if everything goes well.

I hope they don't go after Kimbrel now. Just do not want to put too much money into the back end with older players. A Jake Diekman reunion might be much more affordable.

[Squire]

One year deal for Knebel

[bkox]

A Jake Diekman reunion might be much more affordable.

Diekman still walks 5 per 9. Can our hearts take Diek and Alvarado in the same pen? I think it might end LSP (he hasnt posted since Nov 8th.. hope hes ok).

[bkox]

$10M

Knebel Phillies deal: $10M, 1 year

— Jon Heyman ( @JonHeyman ) December 1, 2021