Phillies Hot Stove Discussion 2021-22

[bkox]

have heard Schmidt speak of how much he respected Allen and learned from him. I would be shocked if he voted No, but of course you never know.

Schmidt has been advocating for Allen's induction for a while

The fact that he was 1 vote away hopefully means next time?

He was one vote away last time too.. and next time is 5 years away

[bkeich]

Yes, I realize. Sometimes I think people pick up a vote because some voters limit the number of positive votes they send in. Maybe next time, with different electors, it is just that little bit more (of course, could go either way).

[BostonRoss]

It might be good for Allen if some of the older media/management voters are replaced next time. On the other hand, it seems likely that there won’t be as many voters who played with/against him. Thanks

[jimbomill]

I liked Kaat, but no way he deserves it before Allen

Agree, completely

[zambonir]

We don't know how they voted but do we know who's on the panels? There's more than one right?

[Philsmania]

With the Flyers' sacking Vigneault today, Girardi is now the dean of Philadelphia coaches in the flagship four major sports leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL). Adding the Union to mix, however, he is #2 behind Jim Curtin.

[bkox]

We don't know how they voted but do we know who's on the panels? There's more than one right?

The Golden Days Era Committee voters were Hall of Famers Rod Carew, Fergie Jenkins, Mike Schmidt, John Schuerholz, Bud Selig, Ozzie Smith and Joe Torre; Major League executives Al Avila, Bill DeWitt, Ken Kendrick, Kim Ng and Tony Reagins; and veteran media members/historians Adrian Burgos Jr., Steve Hirdt, Jaime Jarrin and Jack O’Connell.

[schillingfan]

I somehow missed that Dick Allen died. My husband always said he was the best hitter he ever saw play.

[julio]

I should note that there were not "yes" and "no" votes. I believe that each voter was limited to voting for no more than four candidates, and individual candidates had to reach a threshold number of votes to be elevated. So, it's not that anybody voted "no" on Allen - it's that, given a very rich ballot, he simply got crowded out on one too many ballots.

It's not a particularly fair system - but admission to the HOF has never been "fair," or based on any objective threshold criteria.

[zambonir]

Stark (who also wrote a piece after Allen's death last year) with some good analysis. TLDR, Allen's case is pretty overwhelming with modern stats, and almost no one on that list probably considers them (wRC+, for instance).

Dick Allen's numbers haven't changed, but how we view them should: Jayson Stark

[bkox]

Phillies FCL manager Roly de Armas has been named the Coolbaugh Award winner, and the late Twins bench coach Mike Bell earned the Bender Award for distinguished service to player development.

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— Minor League Baseball ( @MiLB ) December 6, 2021

[donaldorc]

Looks like the fire has gone out in the hot stove.

[flyers19rw]

Lock outs will do that for you. MLB is putting a lot of stock into the theory that the public will be flocking back when it's all over. We'll see about that. Baseball could be developing into a wedge sport stuck between football and basketball. Not quite down to the level of hockey but sliding. The NFL and NBA have mastered the skill of being a year round enterprise. MLB, not so much.

[zambonir]

Was actually some news today though.

Freddy Galvis heading to Japan on 2-year deal – Phillies Nation

We could still see some minor league deals but I assume the best candidates for those will still want to wait for the market to play out (and/or be sure they can't get a major league deal).

[bkox]

Phillies Sign Six Players To Minor League Deals https://t.co/BYB3UocQ3w pic.twitter.com/1JAvoCGny4

— MLB Trade Rumors ( @mlbtraderumors ) December 14, 2021

Joining the organization are Cam Bedrosian, Andrew Bellatti, Jake Newberry, Joe Gatto, Tyler Cyr and Michael Kelly.

[allentown]

I think we had a couple of these names before, Kelly for certain. And interesting group of guys to try out for middle relief or be injury reserves at AAA -- all 30 or younger this year, all at least AAA experience and most MLB, all high K-rate. On the down-side, most are rather wild. An audition among potential relievers like this is what the team should be planning.

[zambonir]

I don't see where Michael Kellly ever played for a Phillies affiliate but Bedrosian was on the major league roster this past season. He presumably still has the best shot (or as at least the biggest name) but there will be bigger (a la Kintzler and Watson) after the lockout, and optionality will remain important.

"AAA" depth means something else entirely during the lockout too. With no major leaguers in Clearwater they will probably take more bodies until the minor league season actually starts.

[zambonir]

A note from MLBTR

Dec. 15: Bedrosian’s contract was actually agreed to on Dec. 1 but only formally announced by the team this week, MLBTR has learned. That explains any confusion surrounding how the deal was possible, as Bedrosian otherwise appeared ineligible to sign during the lockout by virtue of the fact that he ended the 2021 season on the Phillies’ Major League roster.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/phillies-sign-six-players-to-minor-league-deals.html

[allentown]

I don't see where Michael Kellly ever played for a Phillies affiliate

What I meant by "we had a couple of these names before" was that this report of their signing was not new news.

[zambonir]

Ah, yeah, I actually went back looking at the transactions after seeing that MLBTR note and saw he'd signed in late November.