Phillies Hot Stove Discussion 2021-22

[Aquapong]

$43.9 mil below the tax after Familia according to Cots.

Bryant, Givens/Tepera, Odubel, and Villar. Bring Janko back for the bench.

[fish]

I suppose if you told me signing Herrera for a platoon was the trade off to ditch the Kiermier idea and go big in left with Bryant then I could tolerate it.

[Squire]

Agree....though candidly I'd just as much prefer to let Moniak or Haseley platoon with Vierling. if that is the plan.

[saycheese]

My thoughts on how the offseason before and after the lockout has gone. I think cautious is the correct wording for it. If the reports and rumors are true on some of the asks for trades of flawed players like Matt Chapman and Kevin Kiermaier I don't blame Dombrowksi for not dealing for them. You simply can't give up Stott or Abel or Painter at this point. However bringing back/in players like Familia and Herrera are who are both flawed and have domestic abuse histories is not good either. I would have rather gone with Moniak/Vierling/ resign Roman Quinn than go with Herrera.

I am wondering if the Phillies are having a problem attracting talent to come here. I mean Ottivino would have made more sense to me. But if you are him Phillies or Mets? Right now I think its the Mets as they are the shinny new toy owner who is actually spending stupid money. I do think attracting talent is an issue there for some reason. Now that could change if they get a Bryant or Castellanos or Schwarber that changes some.

Overall I expect more of the the same with smaller deals for lesser players than getting a big fish. Now of course I bet we hear something 5 minutes after I post this.

Also MLB is in danger here, the NFL offseason frenzy starts at noon with the "tampering period" That will dominate the news over most of the MLB signings.

[EDmuch]

Moniak for designated sacrifice bunter?

[Taudawg]

Phillies To Re-Sign Odubel Herrera

[David_Criss]

Looking at available CFers, Herrera was the safe and best bet. Buxton and Marte were quickly no longer available. I am sure DD weighed the asking price for Keimaier vs. re-signing Herrera and made the right call. Herrera could still be traded, too. Hopefully they get through to him to be more like the 2016 and 2017 Herrera and stop trying to be a home run hitter.

Bryant/Schwaber/Conforto/Castillanos may hit a ton, but they do not make LF great.

I don't think Bryant is worth $25 million per, but its not my money. The asking prices for Reynolds/Mullins/Chapman/Laureano are way to expensive right now. But the Phillies cannot waste Wheeler and Harper any longer.

I don't envy DD right now - no real depth to trade from and pretty limited in available funds and stuck with some bad contracts.

[fish]

I don't think Bryant is worth $25 million per, but its not my money.

If Carlos Rondon can get 22 million, I don't know what to expect. Length of a deal may be more of a sticking point for Bryant.

[saycheese]

Heyman reporting Phillies negotiating with Brad Hand on a deal. Don't hate this move.

[andyb]

Agree. The bullpen needs a LHP and he would not be paid as a closer. Really wanted a Diekman reunion but assume Hand will be relatively inexpensive ($5 million?).

Their choice on a big bat for LF is the main thing they need to get done in the next couple of days.

[bkeich]

Since Moniak’s “good” at bats in the majors have been when he struck out on 4 pitches instead of 3 I can’t agree with any plan that involves him. Haseley is also simply not an option to even consider until he proves that he can play baseball again, what I saw last year implies that he might very well be done. He wasn’t even close to being a ML player, or even a AA player.

[kmc1019]

Per Jeff Passan, Hand is now a Phillie. My concern with Hand is that he stunk in Aug/Sep last year the way that Ian Kennedy stunk for the Phillies.

Form mlbtraderumors.com
"Things went awry for Hand following a July trade to the Blue Jays, as the lefty never really found his footing in Toronto. Hand was scored upon in five of his 11 appearances with the Jays, ultimately yielding 10 runs (seven earned) on 13 hits and three walks in just 8 2/3 innings. Hand wound up being designated for assignment in August and claimed by the Mets, where he turned things around to an extent: seven runs (four earned) on a dozen hits and five walks with 14 strikeouts in 13 1/3 innings."

[gmwannabe]

I agree with David's comments above. DD is in a tough spot. to acquire in a trade they will have to give up more than is needed to. one of the things I keep hearing and seeing from a lot of people is that the Phils can't afford to waste Bryce Harper and Wheeler. What are they, 34, 35? they could have 3, 4 more years of production left. I would not be backed into a panic trade.
gm

[bigegypt0417]

Phillies have signed Brad Hand...one year

[Aquapong]

Supposed have signed Odubel as well but I haven’t seen financials.

[Taudawg]

I feel like a trade is in the works. 40 man roster will need adjustments to accommodate the flurry of signings.

Scott Lauber believes the Phillies are at $194mil counting Hand but not Odubel. Enough room to keep adding.

[Aquapong]

Plenty of dead wood on the 40 that can be removed for the new additions. I count at least 7 or 8 spots that could be freed up. First off, MLB doesn’t seem to have updated Romero’s moved to the 60 day dl. That might be one spot there.

Emanuel, Lopez, Jones, Moss, Sheriff, and Nelson will not mean anything to the team. Haseley is damaged goods.

Moniak would probably get claimed by someone who thinks they can fix him. Same with Sanchez and Morales. I don’t think we would realistically Dfa these guys.

Stubbs or Sands would probably be last to go.

[BaseballCat]

I would not be sorry to see any of these names to go if we got an impact addition. If we can afford the money, I would prefer Bryant as I think he is a decent defender over what is left for 3B / OF. Plus I think that combo with Bryce makes for a motivated pair. If we can afford him, I would prefer that over getting rid of our few prospects. I am hoping Bohm can be worked out as I am not ready to give up on him. We have to make progress in using the up years of Bryce, Wheeler and hopefully Nola.

[allentown]

Herrera had almost 2 bWAR last season. I prefer this signing to a trade.

[EDmuch]

It is nice to talk about trades, but as our discussion with the A's reflects we do not have much to trade other than a few strong prospects with whom we should not want to part.