Phillies Hot Stove 2022-23

[zambonir]

Yes, Aqua was joking, as was I (with GM, one can never be sure!). The Marlins have a surplus of pitching and may trade one of them. Alcantara is not available.

[EDmuch]

Boegarts any one ???? That seems to be our pick !

[zambonir]

I think it's still early, but given the history with Dombrowski and that he's a Boras guy, sure (that said Heyman famously just prints whatever rumors Boras wants out there). Bryce is probably still lobbying for Turner. And Correa is also a Boras guy. So Boras may want to watch teams throw out their offers on all three of them (Turner is not one of his) for a while, and see the prices rise.

[BaseballCat]

I knew some were joking, but the conversation kept going so I thought I would join in. I knew he had just signed a new contract, but not know how team friendly it was. 56 million is nothing to sneeze at, but wow.

[The_Poster]

An idea for the bullpen. Andrew Chafin. Andrew pitched in 64 games, throwing 57.1 innings. The lefty tossed 67 strikeouts and allowed 19 walks, a 3.53 K per walk ratio. His 10.5 strikeouts per nine is a fantastic rate, and he can fill the role that has been vacated by Brad Hand’s expired contract.

[phillychuck]

Chafin sounds good--what is his expected salary?

[The_Poster]

2 years at 20 million?

[EDmuch]

That seems a bit steep

[The_Poster]

Its what we were paying Brad Hand?

[The_Poster]

Sorry we paid him 6 million.

[andyb]

For nostalgia, here are the Phillies 7 walk offs this year. Title forgets the Bohm booted groundball that scored Roman Quinn from 2B but has all 7 pieces of video.

Phillies 6 Walk Offs this season thread #RingTheBell

1) Bryson Stott Walk off Homer pic.twitter.com/yNRyvHi9dn

— Justin Lever ️ ️ ( @JustinLever3 ) November 14, 2022

[andyb]

Rule 5 deadline tomorrow. Looking at Matt's article I am guessing just Rojas and Miller get protected. CDLC is just not ready for any sort of major league bench duty, especially with the short benches of today.

2022-2023 Phillies Offseason: Rule 5 Draft Prep

[Austinfan]

De La Cruz is a good bet to be protected.
One or more of the RPs (Schultz, Schultze).
They should have a few available slots, not sure I'd expose a RP hitting 100 to protect an AAA+ type.

[zambonir]

Haha nice kicker Matt.

[andyb]

They should have a few available slots, not sure I'd expose a RP hitting 100 to protect an AAA+ type

The chances of Schultz sticking on a major league roster the entire year are pretty slim. The question is much more about whether we lose someone already on the 40-man roster. We probably protected Morales a year too early and he took up a roster spot that entire extra year. That is the price of protecting De La Cruz or Schultz (or anyone else marginal). They can be lost with a waiver claim if you take them off the roster later.

There is so much more roster churn these days that protecting somebody an extra year can have real consequences. That means we can still have Schultz and De La Cruz in AA next year while still protecting guys like Andrew Vasquez who could actually help the major league roster next season.

[Matt_Winkelman]

The Morales argument is disingenuous because he 100% gets taken last year if there is a draft. It ended up going not great, but he was up in the majors in May.

Luis Garcia is the better argument, and they ended up losing him on waivers rather than forcing someone to carry them all year.

The 40 man spot churn math is real. I do think the question tree is this simple.
- Will the player be selected in the Rule 5 draft and stick?
- Will it be painful if they are selected?

In this case as I laid out, the chance that CDLC is taken and sticks is moderate (though I think if he gets selected he 100% sticks because you don't take him not to have him stick), but the pain is real. He is going to be a top 10-15 prospect in places and is just better than Ortiz. As for Schultz, the upside just really is not fully there given the history of command issues to say "if I take him I will keep him" and he has a chance to just be really bad. That factors into whether it will be painful to lose him, sure you hate to lose anyone, but he is maybe a top 30 prospect and he has significant flaws.

[andyb]

The Morales argument is disingenuous because he 100% gets taken last year if there is a draft.

I was referring to the previous season 2021 where coming off the pandemic they put him on the 40-man roster when he had only pitched in Lakewood in 2019 (at that point Low A). I know it would have been a risk then that another team would have selected him, though I just don't think he could have stuck on another major league roster all year in 2021. Prior to 2022 I would definitely have added him.

[Matt_Winkelman]

Yeah that is my bad. Someone absolutely takes him and puts him in their bullpen in 2021. He was still starting at that point and if I remember correctly the fall reports were really good. He was also their #4 prospect. You can't risk that.

[saycheese]

The big thing is if you don't protect CDLC then what is the roster spot used for? Another Kent Emanuel type? I do think there is a team out there that would take a chance on him. He played pretty well in Arizona is he ready for MLB no but he could be stashed as the 26th player on a team like the Pirates all year play some defense and get limited at bats. The fact that he can play Centerfield in a time where there seems to be a lack of CF out there is something else to consider as a team may take a flyer for that reason alone

[Taudawg]

This is the only thread for Phillies related off-season news. I thought this was worth mentioning -

Philadelphia Phillies Purchase Distressed Shopping Center Near Metro Tampa...