Eagles 2020-2021 Season

[phillychuck]

LD, I'm merely repeating what I've read. The article says Cinn/Phl tied for #5/6 and that Philly wins the tiebreaker if they both win or both lose, so they can't end up 6th after next week... Tankathon says they are losing the TB to Cinn right now, so I don't know what the story is for sure.

[Philsmania]

I don't think the injuries have taken a toll on him physically. He was still mobile and strong this year, but he just started making uncharacteristic mistakes throwing the ball away, some of that can be tied to limited training camp and unfamiliar receivers, some of that was due to the O-Line problems and the subsequent pressure, but I'm not making excuses for how badly he played. I think mentally he might have gotten the yips due to the injuries and the increased pressure due to the O-Line, but then again, Doug did him no favors in trying to take advantage of Wentz's strengths, like quick short throws, like calling roll outs, where Wentz is great throwing on the move, or running the ball so that play action would work better. I think Wentz could regain his form if whoever the offensive coaches are would make those changes to the offense to work to his strengths and build his confidence back up.

I like Hurts, I think Wentz still has the higher ceiling, and adding more picks is more important than Hurts' value to the team next year, so that's why I think they should trade Hurts. Having three top 100 picks in the next draft would help a lot (unless Howie passes on more great picks to try to outsmart the league). Also, I worry about Hurts and his future heath the way he takes a pounding, he's not a huge guy. Trade Hurts, trade Ertz too and build some draft capitol. I think the O-Line will be better next year with Johnson and Brooks back and Mailata showing promise, Dillard as depth at tackle, Driscoll looks like a player too so they'll have depth, so keep putting talent around Wentz and fill some holes in the draft.

Belatedly getting back here. I read an article recently talking about other QB's who dropped off a cliff like this. None of them ever really recovered. The difference between them and Wentz, however, is that all of the cases cited in the article were aging veteran QB's who simply reached the end of the line for their effectiveness. Wentz dropping off in what should be his prime is somewhat unprecedented. Remains to be seen what will happen with him, I guess.

[schillingfan]

Back when I was in high school we had thanksgiving with other coaches, and one was came straight from Texas. Nice people, but we had to listen to them root for the Cowboys. Gave me a healthy Cowboys hate together with the Cowboys beating the John Brody 49ers two years in a row in the NFC championships. The 49ers and Raiders were my teams. Then I moved to Pennsylvania to marry an Eagles fan and I had a new reason to hate the Cowboys. I know how you feel. A Cowboys loss is as satisfying as an Eagles win. I make sure every week to see how the Cowboys did.

[Philsmania]

Cowboys fans have a certain swagger to them that makes them insufferable. That's the best way I can put it.

[Purduke]

I wonder if this boils down to the definition of who is "winning" a tiebreaker, when teams are trying to lose it.

Attached is the tie-breaking rules that PFN have published. This shows Cincinnati receiving the preferred draft position right now. I have not attempted to re-create who is ahead\behind right now because using composite W-L record would seem to be a heck of a scenario to try to forecast.

Updated 2021 NFL Draft Order and Tiebreaking Procedures | PFN

[LegoDoom]

Ok, I think this might be correct. An article on NBCS said that they would have the same strength of schedule, but this doesn't look to be the case.

I haven't seen tankathon, but if both teams lose Baltimore would be 11-5 and WFT would be 7-9 and I think that gives the tiebreaker to Philly.

[flyers19rw]

John Dorsey was hired to be involved in improving the Eagles’ draft. The guy is good at his trade. He started his career in this area in GB under Ron Wolf. If he can run the draft, the organization should do well. Lurie should let Dorsey do the picking and, if he’s still around, let Roseman do the contractual stuff.

[zambonir]

Another branch of the Andy Reid family tree, though I'm not sure a two-time failed GM is that impressive a hire. A good scout, sure. He's only a consultant (at least for now), if it was still Howie's draft when we had Douglas and Berry it's probably still Howie's draft now, but we may see a more formal restructuring come January.

[bkeich]

The amazing part is not only does Cincy and Philly have the same record, tied each other and crazy enough have the exact same strength of schedule at the moment (0.529). Weird.

[bkeich]

BIt is rare that I want the Eagles to lose this badly. The idea of the #3 -#5/6 pick is so much more appealing than the #10 pick. And please understand, the former Redskins are my least favorite team (not Dallas). Seeing them in the playoffs will be sad, but seeing them get slaughtered will be pleasant.

I will be different than everyone on our hopefully very early pick. I either want a shutdown corner or a edge rusher to fear. No WR, no RB, certainly no QB, maybe a sideline to sideline LB. I would also love to see them turn the pick into 2 mid first round picks, or one this year and a first and third next year. We badly need young talent, the last few drafts have really screwed up this franchise.

Things like the Alshon and DJax signings, one of which is sad (DJax) and the other of which is franchise setback killing (Alshon). Alshon absolutely must be cut. Last thing in the world this team needs is a locker room cancer in there with all the young WRs.

Next year is going to be pure chaos and a bad year with 2 guys who probably should be starting QBs and the divided locker room that will come from the losing that will follow. We have a team in Salary Cap He$$ because they planned on an uncapped year, which didn’t happen. Now we are going to have $20M+ of dead money and no way to fix the problems we have until the off-season after the 2021 season.

[bkeich]

Apparently the Eagles are excited about the draft also.

Barnett, Bradley, Cox, Goedert, Jackson, Mailata, Riley, Rodgers and Sanders all listed as OUT for the game on Sunday. If you can get to the Novacare complex quickly I think they are trying to fill roster spots if you ever wanted to play in the NFL. Anyone here that was really good in PeeWee? It is just the WFT after all, not too scary.

[xogfog]

Even with a loss I think the Eagles will stay at the 6th pick, I just don't see any of the teams ahead of them winning because the teams they are playing are all playing for playoff seeding. I think that is a good place to pick. I still think they need to get a WR. Reagor should be a good player, but I don't think he's a true #1 receiver. They also need CB and LB help. At 6 I would be happy with any of WR Ja'Marr Chase, WR DeVonta Smith, CB Jaycee Horn or LB Micah Parsons.

If some team desperately wants a QB, like Wilson from BYU, I would consider trading down if it landed two high picks, like say Denver's or New England's 1st and 2nd round picks, plus a 7th. Having 3 of the top 45 picks would be great. I would be even better if they would also trade Hurts for a fourth pick in the top 45. If they could get a 3rd or an early 4th for Ertz as well, that would be great.

[allentown]

Next year is going to be pure chaos and a bad year with 2 guys who probably should be starting QBs

I think that would be a great problem to have. If pre- and early-season shows both to be capable, that's a great problem to have. My fear is that neither turn out to be an average NFL starting QB. A lot of rebuilding to do with Wentz, and I'm not sure what physical shape he is in now. The last game shows that Hurts has a way to go and may not get there.

That's why I would take a stud WR or offensive lineman in the first round. Whomever are QB is, he is going to need a lot more help than either was given this season. Unless we get a new defensive coordinator, there is no way we take a LB in the first round. Possibly an edge rusher, but we can't afford to keep ruining QBs for lack of protection and WRs.

The Eagles seem as unable to identify a quality WR or defensive back. They are as bad as the Phillies are with outfielders. Not only can't they identify a plus amateur, when they do get one, they fail to develop or use one, falling in love with guys like Mills instead. We have a lot of blind spots in evaluating talent. For that reason, I'd rather have one pick in primo stud draft position, than too mid to late first rounders. We've messed up on quite enough of those picks.

The Eagles aren't going to be a good team next season. They have more problems than can possibly be fixed in one draft and not enough cap $ to do much fixing via FA. Keep mining the CFL.

WOW! Washington playing for the division on Sunday and the Eagles with basically a pre-season, not much more than camp body lineup. No Cox, Sanders, Mailata, Goedert, No Jackson, Rodgers, Mills, Barnett, Bradley, Riley. Probably no Jacquet, who may actually be one of our two best remaining CB who had been standing.

Which, of course means the Eagles will win and mess up their draft position. I fear for the QB's safety.

[LegoDoom]

I still want Penei Sewell at all costs. Some recent mocks have him falling to #5, which I doubt, but would be incredible if he does. He's a monster and the perfect fit for the modern NFL.

As much as I don't want a WR in the 1st, it's a top heavy WR draft and Ja'Marr Chase may be too good to pass up.

Micah Parsons would probably be my top pick on defense. I also like Jaycee Horn, but have seen him mocked anywhere from the top 10 to the end of the 1st.

Depending on how things fall, the Eagles could be in a good position to trade down if one of the top QBs is on the board. The Panthers, Broncos, Pats, and 9ers could all be looking to move up for a QB.

[bkeich]

Hard to see Sewell, but who knows. Honestly it would give us 4 starting Tackles. I think it is too early to give up on Dillard, have to give him a chance. Maybe Maliata can move to guard, but we have solid starters in Brooks and Semaulo. Maybe if Kelsey retires you move Isaac to center.

It would be a very good OL, but I just don’t think the team sees it as a priority despite the chaos of this year.

I like investing as much capital as reasonable in the OlL, this year proves what happens when it is bad, but I just see DE and CB as bigger needs (LB also but there is no way they spend a high 1st round pick on LB)

[zambonir]

Last thing in the world this team needs is a locker room cancer in there with all the young WRs.

I'm no longer convinced Alshon is the bad guy, personally. Not saying Carson is either, but at this point it seems the discord that has existed in the room for the last couple of seasons happened for a reason, whereas at the time it was spun as, obviously the Eagles have a great culture and these guys are malcontents.

If they draft a QB in either of the first two rounds that means someone is or already has been traded. And I don't mean Sudfield.

[LegoDoom]

Hard to see Sewell, but who knows. Honestly it would give us 4 starting Tackles. I think it is too early to give up on Dillard, have to give him a chance. Maybe Maliata can move to guard, but we have solid starters in Brooks and Semaulo. Maybe if Kelsey retires you move Isaac to center.

I'm not even down on Dillard (even though he hasn't really shown he can be a starting OT), but Sewell is one of the best OTs I've seen in a while. When the team finally gets a chance to draft a player like that at a premium position, you take him. If you're drafting in the top 5 you should not be drafting for position (unless you have a franchise player and don't need one at that position).

[flyers19rw]

I’m in on taking Parsons since I think that he is the biggest impact defensive player on the board. OTOH, if Schwartz is still the DC, it would be a wasted pick because he has no use for LBs.

[zambonir]

I think that's more Howie and his people as much as if not more than Schwartz, but same difference.

[LegoDoom]

To be fair, QBs, OTs, CBs, Edge, and WRs are all more important than LBs. I like Parsons, but would understand if the team passed or traded down to try to pick him.