2022 Phillies Major League Regular Season Discussion

[zambonir]

I think there's plenty of middle ground there. No, he probably wasn't going to be the starting CF or an above-average player right out of the gate, just a bench player making a contribution. But he can also still recover from this and either earn another chance or take what he learned from Long and tear it up in AAA. And he's still plenty young.

[Dirk41]

Cespedes time!!

[DurhamBull]

This is so disappointing. Mickey had the hot hand and worked hard to make the starting lineup, let alone the team.

Yeah, I was curious to see how he would do with the confidence of a solid spring behind him.

[California_Dreamin]

Yes, bkox, it actually is not that rare. I took just a cursory look at 1980 because I remember the Phils opened that season with a slew of rookies that Dallas Green said had earned the jobs and recalled a former 1st rounder named Scott Munninghoff, a hurler the team had great hopes for. I merely looked for his appearances that year [he had only 4] and sure enough on the 3rd game of the season he pitched, as did Christenson, and both Luzinski and Smith played in the game. Likely that this is not as rare as we think, baseball has always put a premium on getting 1st rounders to the majors.

[Taudawg]

Matt Gelb tweets Phillies believe Odubel is about two weeks away from mlb ready.

[zambonir]

Gelb actually broke down what is rare about even just Stott making the team the other day.

Stott’s inclusion on the Opening Day roster is nothing short of extraordinary when put in the context of Phillies history. Should Stott make his big-league debut in Friday’s game, he would become just the 10th Phillies rookie to debut on Opening Day since 1970. No Phillies first-round pick has ever debuted on Opening Day. (Dane Iorg was selected in the first round of the now-defunct January secondary phase draft in 1971.) Stott will be the first.

Bryson Stott left the Phillies no choice but to put him on the Opening Day...

Now, of course, a lot of rookies made their "debuts" in previous seasons, and rookie pitchers aren't likely to ever start on Opening Day.

The 2018 team had three rookies in the starting line-up the first week of the season, though not all at the same time (Crawford, Kingery, Alfaro).

[bkeich]

No Phillies first-round pick has ever debuted on Opening Day.

How is that even possible? That is the craziest fact ever.

[zambonir]

Well, that also speaks to a really rough history of first-round picks, especially from 2003 to 2018, with lots of other fallow periods too.

But overall it's just a quirk, really. Rarely is a player's development timeline such that he is in the starting line-up on Opening Day as a rookie with zero career ABs. First-round or otherwise, most players either got a short call-up at other times or were being held back for service time reasons (or, with the World Series era teams, frustrating veteran blocks).

Plus you have a lot of pitchers. And trades (four of the Phillies' five picks between 2004 and 2007 - one year they had a comp pick too - were traded).

The list of rookies who did debut with the Phillies on Opening Day: Stassi (PH), Herrera (slightly surprising but he had never gotten out of AA with Texas), Galvis (injury sub IIRC), three pitchers, Iorg, Denny Doyle and Bowa.

In 2018 there were games in which three rookies started but Crawford and Alfaro had already played in 2017 and Kingery didn't get the Opening Day start (nor did Alfaro for that matter - and Knapp had already used up his Rookie status in 2017).

[andyb]

For the future it might happen a bit more often without the expanded September rosters and the incentives to get bonus draft picks for putting top prospects on the opening day roster (and number one picks should be more likely to be top 100 prospects where the ROY voting is an incentive.

[BaseballCat]

Roman Quinn is back - we need outfield depth

Phillies To Sign Roman Quinn To Minor League Deal

[andyb]

Interesting. Makes one think that he never wanted to leave after all but the lockout robbed him of being able to rehab in the Phillies camp. They still probably sign Herrera anyway this past offseason because they were clearly looking at cheap solutions to CF. I do wonder if Muzziotti looks overmatched that they might try to get Quinn on the roster in April until Herrera is back. Longer term it really is not a great path to playing time for him unfortunately, especially compared to the Marlins.

[zambonir]

He should really try to get SS into his quiver at this point. Could still have few years of aggregate major league service time as a Ronald Torreyes (or even Michael Martinez) type player. DH era probably doesn't do him any favors. And of course if he's in AAA playing every day you can't expect him to stay healthy.

[Aquapong]

This is my first season on this board. It seems like the game threads are one guy posting the results of each ab. Are we supposed to talk about individual games in those threads or this one?

[tom81]

There is a bot updating the game thread. Many posters put in comments about the game on the game threads too.

[LoneStarPhan]

Game day threads started many years back and did not usually have each play posted. The last few years, a bot posts the pitch by pitch results for each at bat. Often some make comments or ask other questions. Feel free to comment when ever you want. If I miss a game or start watching mid-game, I often run through the game thread to catch up on what happened. Comments will also give insight to those not watching as to well hit balls, great defensive plays or misplays, etc. that the game summary doesn't tell you. Often there is other interesting informationn sprinkled in the game day threads as well.

[julio]

Good answers, guys!

[bkeich]

The game day threads are great to either follow along or to look at hours later if you didn't watch (creates some suspense that way). I just now read today's because I was busy all day, so I get some "I wonder how they did" suspense as I read it.

Think of our job as a color commentator. If you see something that you find intriguing throw a comment out, nothing is wrong, just how you saw it. I have been corrected many, many times when I did this, comes with the territory, sometimes you see things others don't. Even if you see it wrong or you misinterpret something, still it is conversation.

[julio]

Think of our job as a color commentator. If you see something that you find intriguing throw a comment out, nothing is wrong, just how you saw it. I have been corrected many, many times when I did this, comes with the territory, sometimes you see things others don't. Even if you see it wrong or you misinterpret something, still it is conversation.

This.

Think of the game threads as where we discuss the current game. As in, "What the heck was that play?" "What is Girardi thinking?" "For the love of God, get somebody up in the 'pen already - this guy is clearly done (or never had it today, etc.)." And even things like, "McCarthy just demonstrated once again that he's a blithering idiot. He said...."

This thread (the seasonal discussion) is where we discuss things related to the current season, but not specific to a given game. E.g., what will be the effect of the injury on Mickey Moniak's future in the game? What is the likelihood that Roman Quinn can complete a season (in majors or minors) without a significant injury? Are the (assumed) defensive inadequacies going to kill this team's chances? Etc.

Now, there's going to be overlap. It's not a big deal. No Ukrainians will die (or at least, no more ). But generally, during the game, people who are online are following the game thread, so that's where "live" game-related discussion will happen.

[bkox]

Where are the Phils' cream uniforms?

[Philsmania]

Good grief, you think they would be more prepared.