The New Unending Flyers thread

[xogfog]

Fedotov is out of his military duty, but signed with the KHL for this upcoming season. That might of been a condition of his release from military duty, but in any case, he can't come to the Flyers for at least another year.

[Docs]

trade him away for peanuts

I don't think they will trade him (Hart) for peanuts, I think they are willing to listen to offers and anyone on the roster is available for the right price. Rumor is that 2 firsts is a starting point and not enough to get a deal done. And the Flyers will keep him if they are not bowled over.

As for Provorov, I think he is a talented player that may do very well in his career, but he wasn't going to do that in Philly so the flyers did well to trade him for value. Sounds like he needed a change of scenery, if he ends up playing at an all star level it won't make this a bad trade, for whatever reason the club couldn't get the best out of him.

[flyers19rw]

“The NHL told its teams to cease contact with KHL counterparts and Russia-based agents as part of the suspension of the memorandum of understanding between the leagues. They can continue to communicate with North American agents certified by the NHL Players’ Association but may have more difficulty completing agreements.”

There is no current agreement between the NHL and the KHL on contracts. If Fedotov can get out of Russia, he can break any coerced contract that he signed with them. It would be the flip side of what the Russians did with him last summer when he had a signed deal with the Flyers.

[flyers19rw]

Valerie Camillo leaving the Comcast/Flyers organization at the end of the month.

[zambonir]

I kid, and maybe she just has a better opportunity, but still rather curious. I mean, it now seems like she was Scott's hire and doesn't actually care to work for Hilferty, and/or did not buy into the hiring of Jones.

[Aquapong]

Provorov was better when he was younger. For whatever reason he seemed to get worse with age instead of improve. The same with Ghost.

Zam there’s a mile of difference between Provorov saying he doesn’t want to support something he doesn’t believe in and actively supporting violence against or the harassment of gay people. The whole notion of “if you don’t celebrate us and affirm our life choices, you’re a bigot” is ridiculous. He can live and let live, but that’s not good enough for some. Hopefully with Provorov being traded, it's last time this topic is in this thread.

I wouldn’t trade Hart unless it’s a monumental haul. He’s obviously got the building blocks. He just needs to show more consistency.

[zambonir]

Patrick Sharp and now John LeClair joining the new Flyers front office Mt. Rushmore system. As long as they don't hire Peter White (or maybe they should I don't think he's actually married to Clarke's daughter anymore).

[Dirk41]

I understand that this is scaring people away from Michkov, but I don't believe the Flyers should be one of those teams. He is possibly a better player than Bedard. One of the best in the world. They always find their way over and he will, too.

[Aquapong]

Rumors abound on Hayes to the Blues and Deangelo to Carolina. Sanheim was previously allegedly included in the Hayes trade, but I’m not sure why. I don’t know why we’d give up on him so quickly.

As for the Russian kid, I wonder if the team’s experience with Fedetov will scare them off. There should be too many good choices there at 7 to not take someone else. There about 8 players I’d be happy with although some won’t realistically fall to us.

[zambonir]

Honestly I think Sanheim's Flyers career ended the night Torts benched him in his hometown with his family in attendance. It sounds like the Blues deal fell apart for other issues but they will happily move him for any number of reasons (to get some return and/or to make the $ work or sweeten another deal, and to get free of that incredibly long contract since by the time the Flyers are good again he won't be as good a value, if he evern works out).

[gmwannabe]

The flyers have seemed to get rid of a lot of young players, over the years, that tend to develop and play better afterwards. Poor coaching or late development?
gm

[flyers19rw]

Most young guys that the Flyers dump don’t fare well in other locations. Myers, Friedman, NAK, Stolarz, et al haven’t shown that they were worth keeping. As for weak development, let’s see how Desnoyers, Foerster, Attard, and Zamula do this season before being too hard on the development team.

[zambonir]

I mean maybe if you're going back to like, Patrick Sharp, Justin Williams, JVR, but those were all win-now moves from an era when they could actually win. And now the entire front office and player development staff is different, so we'll see. Nobody who gets traded now is being given up on; it's just the nature of the long rebuild.

[zambonir]

Flyers can't trade Tony D quite yet. Seems like the NHL just needs to rule that there is nothing funny going on (I assume the rule is meant to keep teams from secretly agreeing to trade someone back at the time of the first trade). But not sure I understand "calendar year." D'Angelo hasn't been on the Canes' roster in 2023. I guess it must mean the past 12 months and the problem is that means the Flyers couldn't acquire anything in this year's draft.

"under no circumstances may a Club reacquire, as part of a Retained Salary Transaction, the contract of a player who was on that Club's Reserve List within the past calendar year."

Source: Flyers-Canes trade held up by CBA quirk

Here's LeBrun's original reporting:

There’s language in the CBA about a player returning within 12 months, especially on a retained salary, as being possible circumvention.

I believe both the Flyers and Hurricanes have argued with the league about this, saying: 1) His contract wasn’t even signed with Carolina; it was Philadelphia that signed him last summer to a two-year, $10 million deal. And 2) Chuck Fletcher was the GM who traded for DeAngelo and signed him, and he’s no longer there — so how could any of this be a circumvention?

My understanding is that the league will talk to the teams this week in Nashville about it. Either the league will sign off on it or it will want the teams to wait until July 9 to complete the trade, following the 12 months rule. If that’s the case, who knows if the current proposed trade still works for both teams. So stay tuned on that one.

LeBrun: Rumblings on Johansen, Krug, DeAngelo, Dubois and more as the NHL kicks...

[gmwannabe]

those two are the first ones I thought of Zamby.

[zambonir]

Sharp certainly became more than anyone expected I think. And that was probably because the Flyers (as ever) didn't know what to do with a skill player. Justin Williams was more of a straight-up short-term need-based trade, a young forward for a veteran D-man (who wasn't that good but that team did make a run, and was loaded up front, if also old). Like Moniak for Thor except Williams was a lot better than Mickey at the time.

[VoteForKalas]

Interesting, the scuttlebutt I heard during the off-season was they wanted to keep DeAngelo and trade him at the deadline instead. I guess CAR came calling now and Briere was not going to wait simply to have an in-season chip. Get rid of him when someone wants him. Bad signing to begin with.

Sanheim was a bargain for his first couple of years, but has struggled to take the next step (not surprising in the chaos of the Fletcher years) and then was extended to a ludicrous deal by the same idiot former GM. I dislike trading away young D-men, but we do have a pretty full stable of prospects and we absolutely need to clear that cap anchor of a contract even if we need to retain some.

[flyers19rw]

Sanheim hit a wall with the Flyers as far as development goes. It might be that the club hasn't learned how to use his skills. However he's gone through enough coaches here without progressing to indicate that what he has shown is what he is. Keeping in mind that he was the seventeenth selection in the 2014 draft, one ahead of Tony DeAngelo, he has probably been what a selection at that point should be a solid second pair defenseman. He's not a stiff but not a star,

[Aquapong]

Gotta get started on resigning our RFA’s. It would be nice to get Cates and Frost under some type of cost certainty for a few years. None of the young guys will be UFA’s for several years, but it wouldn’t be impossible to see a team poach them with an offer sheet we don’t want to match at this time.

[zambonir]

With RFAs Cam York, Noah Cates and Morgan Frost, Flyers should think long-term

It's one of the more interesting questions they have to answer, with Sanheim as the example/counter-example he uses as far as whether to just do a short deal or longer ones. But, I don't think any of them are that poachable this year (i.e. anything could be matched).

Clearly they need to get these other deals finished first. I think the Flyers' letter-of-the-law argument - that the NHL rule should not apply to D'Angelo's current contract because he was not signed to it when the Flyers traded for him (they merely got his rights though the contract was obviously a fait accompli) seems right. If not, they have to wait a couple of more weeks but that means they can't get a pick from Carolina in this year's draft.

Hayes I assume will still be gone by tomorrow night.