The New Unending Flyers thread

[zambonir]

That's correct

Analysis: The Giroux Trade in Context

[Docs]

Flyers sign 24 year old center Ryan Poehling to a one year deal 1.4m

[LegoDoom]

Jack Quinn ruptured his Achilles. If this is a true rebuild, then I'd see what it would take for a trade. I was at the game in April and Quinn is one of the most talented players I've seen.

[zambonir]

The Flyers can actually sign players, who knew?! I assume Poehling won't be unrestricted.

I don't see why would Quinn would be available. He's 21 and will still help the Sabres for years to come, they won't give up on him just to get better for one year (which he might not even miss in full.

[Docs]

Poehling was not tendered, so he is unrestricted - nice one year tryout for a former first round pick

[LegoDoom]

I don't see why would Quinn would be available. He's 21 and will still help the Sabres for years to come, they won't give up on him just to get better for one year (which he might not even miss in full.

I'm not sure he is available, but I also didn't assume the Sabres would think short term. Certainly the flyers could offer picks or other former 1st/2nd round prospects. It's a question of risk for them and any other team.

[zambonir]

Right but do the Flyers get any future rights in signing him?

[Docs]

he will be 25 when this contract expires, and I believe that players become UFAs at 25 or 7 years professional service, whichever comes first. So it does not look like he will come with any restrictions next free agency.

[bkeich]

This looks to be the worst summer offseason I can remember. Both the Flyers and Sixers look to be MUCH worse next year. The Flyers appear to be tanking (necessary), trading anyone that any other team wants over the age of 25. The Sixers are trying to dump their #2 and #4 scorers for most likely almost nothing (at least in the short term).

When I say worst off-season I mean in the short term. Both teams are doing what they need to, but both teams will be MUCH worse next year.

[zambonir]

I would be more worried if the Flyers weren't worse. They haven't really stripped the team for parts at all, if no one else actually gets traded (besides D'Angelo) and Couts and Atkinson are healthy they will have a higher draft position next year even if they sell as hard as they can in March.

[bigegypt0417]

Yeah...I think the flyers are going to struggle to be as "good" as they were last season and thays' exactly what they should be working towards.

With that said...they still have the biggest asset on their team which is the goalie.

It's hard to imagine they don't get a significant haul for Hart when they finally pull the trigger.

[zambonir]

Flyers just signed Marc Staal.

I dunno, call me crazy but if Couts and Atkinson are fully recovered, Torts has the mix he wants and a few youngsters and role players do well enough I could easily see them hovering around the 9th or 10th spot in the conference... just enough to be annoying when it's time to sell at the deadline. Obviously if they trade Hart or even Sanheim in the meantime, as well as Atkinson at the deadline, different story.

[LegoDoom]

The Flyers have signed everyone to 1 or 2 year contracts? IMO, they are doing this to sell those players at the deadline.

[zambonir]

For sure, that's a solid strategy even if it's just for minor assets but why would they want to commit to anyone for Years 3 or 4 (other than their own RFAs) right now anyway? They can make more moves next year. They could also still pick up some players on bad contracts this year or next (just not long bad contracts).

[bigegypt0417]

I know it's early to determine but their cap situation over the next couple of years will make them a player in the free agent market....after this season, they will have a big amount of cap space to actually accelerate a rebuild...

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/philadelphia-flyers/cap/2024//

[LegoDoom]

I think they need a few years and wouldn't mind them following the Coyotes strategy to use the cap space to gain assets instead of using it on free agents.

[Austinfan]

Yep. Only makes sense to overpay for FAs when they're the last piece to the puzzle.
While cap room will decline in value as the cap rises the next few years, it's still a valuable asset.

And you can also use it to extend your own young players, rolling in some UFA years with their RFA years, so you can get them at a discount out to 32 or so (the problem with the Sanheim deal is they delayed, so it goes to 34).At that point, if a player is still good, they're cheaper to extend b/c the market for 33 year old players tends to be soft.

[Aquapong]

There will certainly be some guys available next FA go around that could accelerate a rebuild.

[LegoDoom]

There will certainly be some guys available next FA go around that could accelerate a rebuild.

We are like a month into the rebuild. Why should they accelerate it after one year? I guess FA contracts aren't bad this year, but I'd much rather use the cap space to gain assets by taking on bad contracts and waiting a few years before bringing in big FA contracts.

[LegoDoom]

To expand on the rebuild.... I'm assuming some forwards with 70+ points are the ones being mentioned to accelerate this. The team still has no defense and DeAngelo will be a free agent.

I just don't see how spending on veterans next year makes any sense.

The team also has a good goalie and now 3 goaltender prospects. I think Hart will be traded before the team signs someone like Matthews.