The New Unending Flyers thread

[VoteForKalas]

Rumors keep swirling on multi year extension for Seeler....3-4 yrs at 2.5 to 3.5M per

Hope they do not overshoot the landing

[zambonir]

that's still not that much $, he could finish the deal as a bottom-pair or spare part if it's four years.

[VoteForKalas]

that's still not that much $, he could finish the deal as a bottom-pair or spare part if it's four years.

I'm fine with him as a third pair D for 2 years at 2.5M

For 4 years at 3.5M? No thanks. He gives me David Bell hives. But, he can block shots! Please stop.

[Austinfan]

Seeler extended for 4x2.7.
I don't think there's a limit on buyouts, so they could buyout Atkinson, Peterson and Johansen.

[Docs]

They waived johanson, if he clears they can pay him to be in the AHL and it’s not a cap hit. Same for Peterson. If someone gets bought out is it for less money? I know that’s how it works in the NBA - but if you’re going to pay them in full what’s the downside of keeping them in the AHL instead of buying them out and having the dead money on the cap?

Well i just googled this so i guess it does count against the cap

Any player on an AHL roster with an AAV of over $1.075 million and on a one-way contract will be counted towards the cap as well

Another edit: everything over 1.075 counts against the cap so there is some savings.

[andyb]

Another edit: everything over 1.075 counts against the cap so there is some savings.

This is what the Caps just did with Kuznetsov sending him to Hershey. They get $1.075 off the cap while he is there. Might give them room to maneuver around the trade deadline if they want to pick up additional salary from another team to improve the draft capital they get back in a deal.

It is definitely a loophole in the salary cap rules that lets a team spend a bit more money if they have a player with a big contract not playing up to that contract.

[zambonir]

Haha I hear you. But he won't be third-pair D the first two years. And it turns out the deal was on the low end. Granted this is not MLB but extra years with less production are still a given with most contract.

And blocking shots isn't an intangible!

Buyouts let you spread out the cap hit but don't free you of it.

At some point they will also do something with Ryan Ellis.

Meanwhile

Flyers reportedly interested in trading for Sens’ Jakob Chychrun

[Aquapong]

Blocking shots isn’t intangible, but toughness and tenacity are. He’s also willing to be in a scrap when needed. Everything Risto was acquired to be and isn’t.

[zambonir]

Yah but VFK is saying he thinks intangibles are overrated (as they were with David Bell). A fairytale, even. Something you don't want to overpay for. Whereas I'm saying blocking shots is a tangible illustration of toughness and tenacity, not just fuzzy leadership or chemistry factors.

But this criticism would have been based on the Flyers overpaying for intangibles (as they did for Risto). Given the apparent final number, if not the fourth year, I don't think they did.

[Aquapong]

Chychrun doesn’t seem to make sense unless they are willing to sign him after next season when he’s probably due a raise. I suppose Atkinson’s money will be available one way or another. But TK will be a UFA and both Foerster and York could be in line for a payday as well.

[Austinfan]

Reason they needed Seeler is to have a veteran to pair with Drysdale/Bonk/Attard.
You don't want the blind leading the blind.
Right now:
York - Sanehim
Seeler - Drysdale
Zamula - Attard/Risto
Ginning

In a couple years
York - Sanheim
Andrae - Drysdale
Seeler - Bonk
Zamula, Attard, Ginning
If someone beats out Seeler, they can move him with money retained.

[zambonir]

You forgot Chychrun

But seriously, I would bet $1000 that there will be a defen(c)eman on the 2026 or 2027 roster who is not on your list (or even drafted by the Flyers in '24 or '25).

[zambonir]

Catching up on the coverage I see that Johanssen was decidedly not a Torts guy. Probably doesn't mean anything either way

[zambonir]

No-trade for Seeler in first two years, not the second two.

Kurz calls Chychrun a "bad rumor."

What I'm hearing: Flyers valued 2025 pick; Ryan Johansen to be reassigned to AHL

He reckons they could still pick up a depth defenseman and I assume goalie is also still possible. Just presumably won't involve any of those firsts or seconds.

[Aquapong]

With all of these picks, is there a generational player coming we can package these picks to jump up and get?

[zambonir]

Hard to imagine how or why a team at the top of the draft/lottery would not want that player for themselves. They might be able to trade into the lottery or Top 5 (though if memory serves they couldn't even do that last year) but if there's a clear #1 (or even #3) probably ain't happening.

Let's just hope Michkov is this good, and gets here. And eventually the time actually will come to trade some picks and youth for an established (but not aging) star.

At least we're not talking about Cutter Gauthier or Carter Hart.

[bigegypt0417]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/philadelphia-flyers/latest-news/flyers-broker-hanifin-trade-become-middle-man-for-golden-knights

[zambonir]

So that essentially replaces the pick they sent to COL

[Austinfan]

Hextall had (8) 1sts, (6) 2nds in five years.

So far, Briere will have (6) 1sts, (6) 2nds in his first three seasons with a good shot at making the POs without signing a major FA.

Fletcher deserves some credit, as the G trade landed Tiippett, Barkey and FLA's 1st in this draft.
Of course, Fletcher also traded a 1st, (2) 2nds, 3rd and 4th to land Risto and TDA.
And a 2nd comes from Hextall drafting JOB in the first, who wasn't worth signing.

Briere is looking like a stroke of genius, he's patient, understands analytics, knows how to build consensus in the organization, is focused on his long term plan, appreciates the importance of player development but also wants to field a competitive team.

[Docs]

Fletcher deserves some credit

No thank you. Also don’t forget giving up a second to get rid of ghost before giving up a second a third and a fourth to acquire a player that comps like ghost but is not great in the locker room.

(I realize you are just documenting where briere’s extra picks originated - I’d like to give Briere credit for not squandering those additional assets before i give Fletcher credit for anything )