The New Unending Flyers thread

[BostonRoss]

Yeah, that's definitely a concern for the Sixers in Center City. The transit options are a little better from the east and west, but a lot of people will want to drive. I wonder how well they do in D.C. with discouraging driving to the Capitals/Wizards?

[zambonir]

Well my understanding is they are too scared of street musicians to go to games in DC.

All kidding aside, the 76ers have used Boston as the supposed model for their project, but it would probably be a lot more similar to DC. It changed that area for sure but it was not sustainably transformative or able to stave off other forces (including COVID and people working from home still) that leave the area less pleasant to be around. I go there (Market Street) a couple of times a week but when it's time to eat or shop or linger it's not in that area, and a sports/entertainment complex won't be any more appealing. Much as I'm happy to get the heck out of the sports complex and go eat or drink around Passyunk or Rittenhouse, even when I wasn't living here.

[Docs]

The Flyers placed G Cal Peterson on waivers - he will presumably clear and report to the phantoms. Guess the Flyers are not interested in tanking!

[zambonir]

Yeah but the question then becomes are they interested in trading for someone or just figure Sandstrom has to be at least a little better.

Rumor is out there that at least two teams - including Dallas - want both Walker and Seeler in the same deal. If that happens at least one if not both of them would still hit free agency presumably, and could come back.

[zambonir]

Well, never mind.

Flames trading defenseman Chris Tanev to Stars

Actually a very complicated deal. But considering Walker and Seeler are both cheap, they still have value.

Trade #1 – The New Jersey Devils trade unsigned draft choice goaltender Cole Brady to the Calgary Flames in exchange for defenseman Chris Tanev. Furthermore, the Calgary Flames have agreed to retain 50% of all future obligations to Tanev’s contract for the 2023-24 season.

Trade #2 – The New Jersey Devils trade defenseman Chris Tanev to the Dallas Stars in exchange for Dallas’ own 4th round selection in 2026. Furthermore, the New Jersey Devils have agreed to retain 50% of all future obligations to Tanev’s contract for the 2023-24 season.

Trade #3 – The Calgary Flames trade unsigned draft choice goaltender Cole Brady to the Dallas Stars in exchange for defenseman Artem Grushnikov, Dallas’ own 2nd round selection in 2024 and a conditional 3rd round selection in 2026 (Dallas’ own) if Dallas advances to the Stanley Cup Final in the 2024 playoffs (wins three rounds). If Dallas does not win three rounds in the 2024 playoffs, then no additional pick is transferred from Dallas to Calgary.

[Docs]

Jamie Drysdale was placed on the IR, Attard and Felix called up

[zambonir]

And Sandstrom which maybe was obvious but still had to actually happen.

[bigegypt0417]

Seems like we may have an idea of what the return COULD be...

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/philadelphia-flyers/players/tanev-trade-should-set-market-for-flyers-defensemen

[zambonir]

Well I think the consensus is the Flames didn't get enough given the overall parameters, but that also probably means the Stars declined to give up a first for Walker. So then the question becomes, who will, and if no one will, do they keep him?

Setting some similar conditions also makes sense because if the team you are dealing with makes it far into the playoffs not only did they benefit more from the deal, but the pick gets worse.

[Aquapong]

There’s a few more teams looking for defense. I thought I read somewhere the Stars actually wanted Walker AND Seeler in a trade, which we refused. No idea what the offer was, but the Stars may still want another D. We can wait and see who blinks. We can retain money too, so cap hit isn’t an issue…just a good return.

Sandstrom hasn’t been so hot this year, but at least we’re trying someone. I’ve also seen a few sports writers advocating for trading for a back up goalie as I have. Maybe they have time to give Sandstrom a start or two and hope he looks decent. But I’d hate to have the team slide out of the playoffs because our starter gets overused because the backup is inept.

[zambonir]

Yeah Hockey News printed that rumor though i hadn't seen that the Flyers rejected it (or even if it was a firm offer, but the gossip was a 1st and a 2nd total for both of them).

Our guys don't make enough money that the Flyers necessarily need to pick up any $ (nor do other teams need to offer more for that help) but we shall see.

I think they will add something, it just won't be anything that exciting. Included in a trade, or for no more than a 4th or 5th rounder. If they miss the playoffs it should be because they were aggressive about selling, not because they lost a few games because of goaltending, so agree there. But I do think if they trade both defenseman (and Staal too?) and Drysdale is still hurt (which makes it harder to do that anyway) and other injuries remain an issue it could get tight.

[Austinfan]

Turns out there were offers of a 1st for Tanev, but it required taking a bad contract back, something Briere has no problem doing if he's paid.

Lyubushkin went for a 3rd, and Seeler is much better.

[Aquapong]

Pursuing the Oilers 1st is interesting, but I wonder if Walker is enough of an upgrade. It would probably involve Cici or Kulak and probably sending them a 3rd or 4th.

The Leafs are in the defense market and the Stars may be looking for another.

[Aquapong]

Disappointing loss tonight after the Caps looked so flat in the 1st. Looking at the remaining schedule, there’s a lot of games against playoff teams. The Flyers are certainly going to have to earn it to make the playoffs. Their final two games are the Devils and Caps at home. Those could turn out to be huge.

[Austinfan]

Making the playoffs doesn't matter, trying to make the playoffs matter.

If you're Briere, you're carefully watching how the young players respond to competitive pressure and noting which ones are "keepers" to build a SC contender around. And for the young players, a great learning experience about what it takes to play at a higher level.

[Docs]

I’m curious when Alexei Kolosov will come over - i read he signed his ELC and is on loan so he maybe able to play this year if his team gets bounced similar to the KHL player that just joined the wild. I think the Flyers have at least three goalie prospects to be really excited about, including Kolosov.

[zambonir]

It's pretty much a choice at this point. If the price is right they may well subtract enough talent that it's likely they'd fall out, due to that and injuries, especially as they might not make it as a wild card. But if no one steps up with that first for Walker don't be surprised if they announce an extension for him instead.

I think they have already learned plenty about what they have, though certainly no downside to giving more action and responsibility to younger players in the last month of the season too. Especially since the Phantoms aren't going to make the playoffs.

[Austinfan]

An extension would surprise me, b/c I think Briere won't give veterans anything more than 3 years, he's not worried about AVV, he has cap room the next few years, but he doesn't want veterans blocking prospects from the 2023-2025 drafts.

With Sanheim, Drysdale, Risto, Bonk on the way, Attard making a case for a look down the stretch, there really isn't room for Walker.

[zambonir]

But they would clearly like to keep him, and he would like to stay. Talks have occurred (with Seeler too). Just not clear both sides could get what they want. Risto is still a trade possibility down the line too.

You don't want veterans blocking prospects. But, in fact, Briere will end up acquiring veterans and trading prospects eventually. Just not this trade deadline. Maybe not even next year. But certainly sooner than any of us would have guessed before this season started.

[Aquapong]

Are there any D prospects Briere really needs to worry about blocking?

Left side: Sanheim, York, Zamula
Right side: Drysdale, Risto, Attard

Bonk is likely at least a few years away. I don’t think we’re blocking anyone by signing Walker or Seeler. Torts says he think Sanheim is better on the right side, so really it could be better to sign Seeler.

So D over the next two seasons barring going after a bigger name could look like:

Left side: York, Seeler, Zamula
Right side: Sanheim, Drysdale, Risto/Attard