Phillies Prospect Lists

[bkox]

Hes moving to Reading:

Hey Jhailyn, keep mashing in Reading. Congrats and good luck! https://t.co/h1b6FJFzzn pic.twitter.com/5vsQpCzliu

— Jersey Shore BlueClaws ( @BlueClaws ) July 31, 2021

[phillychuck]

Probably the right move...sma;ller parks, tougher pitching, though.

[saycheese]

I have watched Ortiz play a few times. I saw him hit a mammoth HR at JS. He seems to have a good idea of the strike zone and was making some solid contact. Really want to see him against better pitching in Reading. Glad he is there. Ohoppe should be the next to come up from there. I really like Pimpkin to. That jump from A to AA is a big one. So hoping these guys can get their feet wet in AA before the end of the year.

[bkox]

somehow I didnt realize Ortiz can play CF. I thought he was a corner OF until I saw Reading's lineup today. Can he stick there in the bigs?

[phillychuck]

He can play CF and he won't embarrass himself, but he's not fast and has limited range. He's an above average LF.

[Austinfan]

And has the arm for RF.
He's a corner OF who can fill in with below average play in CF if needed, but not your first or second choice.

[zambonir]

I seem to recall a lot of predictions that he'd end up at 1B, so above-average LF would be a win no?

[kmc1019]

Baseball America with new ranking of farm systems by talent level: Phillies 28 out of 30

I can't argue, given the way that prospects we hoped would break out - e.g. Garcia, Rojas, Miller, Martin - simply have not done so.

2021 Midseason MLB Organization Farm System Rankings

[bigegypt0417]

Baseball America with new ranking of farm systems by talent level: Phillies 28 out of 30

I can't argue, given the way that prospects we hoped would break out - e.g. Garcia, Rojas, Miller, Martin - simply have not done so.

I don't generally pay attention to these types of rankings mid-season. As much as we've had some players not live up to their hype, we have others that have developed and are exceeding their lack of hype.

[andyb]

We are not going to do well in these rankings until we start seeing some clear top 100 prospects. Abel will probably make the back end of those lists this offseason. Stott and Painter might make some but not all lists. Morales certainly has not stepped forward either.

Organizational rankings really depend on the top, and the top of the Phillies' rankings is just not good at the moment. If we expanded to top 150 or 200 we might have 4 or 5 guys total if you add Morales and Crouse. With nobody in the top 30-50 and a below average number below that, a mid 20s organizational ranking is the best you get no matter how much depth one has.

[Austinfan]

Almost half our current pitching staff are marginal prospects, Suarez, Falter, Brogdon, DLS, Hammer, plus Williams and Maton.

[andyb]

Almost half our current pitching staff are marginal prospects, Suarez, Falter, Brogdon, DLS, Hammer, plus Williams and Maton.

So? The point is the best organizations have the best prospects. Marginal prospects always make it (Tyler Gilbert!!!!). It is not as if we are above average in having marginal prospects make it. Every team needs to fill out their 26 roster spots. We clearly got lucky with Suarez and maybe Falter, but every team has surprises from guys with marginal stuff. I look at the rest of your list (Brodgon, EDLS, Hammer, Williams, Maton) and don't really see any above average major leaguers or really even starters).

Top prospects succeed more than marginal prospects. We need to develop more of them. Quality > Quantity.

[zambonir]

And it's not like our current pitching staff is actually good. Most of those names are adequate filler, save for Suarez (who's been a serviceable major leaguer for three years, if not for injuries and COVID) and Brogdon/Falter. The other two relievers have both already failed once and the two position players still project as bench guys, they're not "non-prospects" who are going to turn into major league starters.

[Austinfan]

DLS has a nice stretch recently, he has ML stuff, Llovera not so much.
Hammer has been solid so far and Brogdon also has ML stuff.
Not saying they're world beaters, but that's nice cheap bullpen depth out of "nowhere."

Williams and Maton showed they can potentially contribute as bench players, though both were rushed.

Most players in any team's top 30 list at best are RP depth or bench players, very few are starters, starting pitchers or 7th inning plus RPs. So it's nice to see guys who barely were in our 30 contribute.

While Falter may turn out to be a starter, most of our prospective starters are going to come out of our 1st and 2nd rd picks, whether its Randolph, Moniak, Haseley, Stott or Abel and Painter. But the key to the talent pipeline is hitting on later picks and LA lottery tickets. Because every solid middle RP saves you $2-3M over a veteran, and so on.

[andyb]

But the key to the talent pipeline is hitting on later picks and LA lottery tickets.

Actually no. The key is not messing up your big ticket items. Number one picks and million dollar signings. Depth is nice. Stars are better. Look at where the top 100 comes from. I imagine a vast majority of them were high picks or million dollar bonus signings.

You don't seem to realize that just about every organization has prospects that come from lower draft picks and low dollar free agent signings. Point me to the organization though that has a great ranking without any top picks or high dollar signings contributing to that rank. There is no reason to think what the Phillies have is better than anyone else in terms of depth. We just don't have many stars. It is a problem. A problem that Nick Maton is not going to solve by himself (even if he might make a fine, inexpensive addition to the roster for the next few years).

[schillingfan]

Really sucked that we had 1.1 in a down draft year and pretty much squandered our picks in the 20teens. Then consider we haven’t drafted one Latin-American All-Star since forever.

Austinfqn, I really value your input, but I don’t understand why you keep creating a false dilemma. There is no reason a big budget team, which we are, can’t both find hidden gems and draft or sign and develop top stars. The 2008 team was built around Hamels, Rollins, Utley, Howard and Burrell. All but Howard were our first or second round picks. The only equivalent on our current team is Nola and he’s been slumping.

Just think if we had drafted another Utley or Rollins where our team would be now!

[zambonir]

I can remember when EDLS was one of our Top 10 prospects. That he's worked his way back from "literally worthless" (i.e. unclaimed by every team) to "middle relief depth" is nice, but doesn't change anything about the system. Though really the worst part is that the three biggest graduates aren't helping either (Haseley and Kingery, plus we traded Howard)

[andyb]

It was admittedly a lousy draft to have the 1.1 pick. But we also chose poorly and have gone 0 for 3 on the large bonus guys (Moniak, Gowdy Stobbe) in terms of having them develop into good major league players with the bar higher for Moniak. I still do have hopes for Morales even though he has struggled at Reading, though more as a late inning reliever than a starter.

If it is any consolation, the guy we might have picked over Cornelius Randolph in 2015 homered against us yesterday....

[schillingfan]

I added to my post after you responded. Agree totally.

[bkox]

Really sucked that we had 1.1 in a down draft year

Well yes and no... that draft year the Dodgers took both Gavin Lux and Will Smith in the first round and Dustin May in the 3rd. Braves took Ian Anderson. And in later rounds teams took Bryan Reynolds, Pete Alonso, Shane Bieber, Corbin Burnes. It was a down draft year but teams did find talent