Phillies 2018 Season News/Notes/Discussion

[andyb]

Kilome has a higher ceiling than De Los Santos though. DLS took a step forward this year, but his pitches are just not as good as Kilome. Difference between a guy with a ceiling as a 4th starter compared to a 3rd starter. DLS has a greater chance of some success. Kilome has a better chance of being an above average starter.

[teabag259]

IIRC Kilomé was an upper 90s maybe touching 100 guy a few years ago. Consistent command was his issue. It seems like his fastball has ticked down the last year or two and yet his command hasn’t improved measurably. He isn’t a significant loss at this point imo.

[Austinfan]

De Los Santos is 6 months younger than Kilome, at a higher level, with more success due to better command.
De Los Santos averaged 93.9 MPH in his short ML cameo. Enough velocity to be a top pitcher.

Kilome has less upside because he shows no signs of developing command at 23, as Tirado shows, touching 100 on a regular basis means nothing without command. At some point the lack of development may simply signal he lacks the body control, at 20 you see if he grows into it, by 23, odds get long. His only good year was at Lakewood two years ago.

De Los Santos has 440 IP in NA, Kilome 432 IP.

[andyb]

But Kilome throws harder and with more movement. All your stats are kind of meaningless. They are not in dispute. They just say nothing about ceiling and projectability. DLS actually has kind of a short hand motion that to me makes him a significant injury risk too. There are many reasons why someone might think Kilome has a higher ceiling and none of them have anything to do with Tirado.

[David_Criss]

Polueffe, Curtis, Kilome, Waguespack and cash for Ramos, Loup, and Cabrera. Quinn is the lone extra outfielder. Was hoping for McCutcheon or a roation upgrade, but this is not a bad deal overall. I still am scratching my head over Curtis and Waguespack for Loup.

[Austinfan]

Kilome was the only one who had any potential future with this team, and I think they decided he's never going to develop good enough command to make it the majors. The others are scrubs, Waguespack might have an outside shot at LR/spot starter, but he's behind a long list of guys for that role, Thompson, Anderson, Leiter, Eshelman, E Garcia etc. Curtis got multiple shots at winning a LOOGY job, now Loup gets a shot with Gilbert, Windle, Singer and Dohy lining up behind him.

[zambonir]

It's July 31, the Phillies were deadline buyers, and they are in first place. Not too shabby. They don't look like "the team to beat" in the NL by any means, especially not after all the trades, but they remain the firm divison favorite. Hopefuly they can steal one tonight before the big sentimental four-game home series.

[zambonir]

You're also assuming Plouffe and Curtis will be claimed by other teams. Maybe, but they were probably not going to be on the 25-man roster the rest of the season anyway, or on the 40 in the off-season. They also were on track to lose their 40-man spots to Florimon and Eickhoff if nothing else.

[Lawman]

Man, I am so pumped. It's August 1, Phils lead the NL East and we're in a pennant race heading into the stretch run!!!!!

Sixers, Flyers, and Eagles all make the playoffs and Phils are threatening to do so.

Fun times.

[David_Criss]

Definitely fun times. Zambonir summed it up nicely. Not too shabby to be in first place and buyers at the deadline. I don't know that many of us could have imagined this in April.

You are right Plouffe and Curtis were placeholders. What happens when Loup and Morgan are added to the active roster? It is a pretty safe bet that Ramos is on the DL. I am guessing Rios is sent back to LeHigh when Loup is activated or Morgan returns. Does Davis spend August in LeHigh? They'd have three lefties if not, which isn't a horrible thing. Does Thompson put more miles on his car and go back?

[tom81]

Does Davis spend August in LeHigh?

He is the best of the three IMO he stays on the big club unless he falls apart.

[el-pietro]

When was the least time all four teams made the playoffs in a 12 month period?

[EastFallowfield]

They all played in 2011 playoff games, Sixers lost to Heat, Flyers lost in round 2, Eagles lost in wild card game.

[el-pietro]

I went back to 1993 (counting Eagles playoff seasons as the year of the super bowl rather than the regular season). It has only happened twice in the same calendar year in that time. 2011 and 2009.

Three teams have made the playoffs 7 times, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2008, 2010 and 2018 so far. The Phillies were the team to miss out in every one of those seasons except 2008 and 2010. The Sixers missed out in 2008, Eagles in 2010.

There have been four seasons when none of the four made the post season. 1994, 2013, 2015 and 2017.

Between 2015 and 2017 only the Flyers in 2016 made the playoffs. Between 2013 and 20017 you only add to more post season appearances when the Flyers and Eagles made the playoffs in 2014.

Over that 26 (25 and 3/4s for Phillies) season period The Flyers have made the playoffs 20 times. The last time they missed the playoffs in back to back seasons was 1993/94. The Eagles have made the playoffs 14 times, missing between 2015 and 2017. The Sixers have made the playoffs 11 times, missing for five straight seasons between 2013 and 2017 (Trust the Process). Our Phillies have made the playoffs 6 times.... missing out for the last 6 seasons and for 13 straight years between 1994 and 2006.

I know none of this is news but its crazy how quickly the turn around appears to have happened in Philadelphia sports. From 0 teams to potentially 4, and 3 of the four are considered to be real title contenders going forward. I don't pay too much attention to Hockey so I'm not sure where they sit in terms of the future. Are they in a similar position to where the Sixers were back in 2012, consistently reaching the playoffs but doing very little once they get there? They have been in the playoffs 20 times but only reaching the finals twice in that time? Sorry to take this off topic!

[Austinfan]

Flyers are probably best positioned of all Philly teams going forward, they have arguably the best talent pipeline in the NHL (or at least top 3 or so) after graduating Patrick, Lindblom and Sanheim last year. They have plenty of cap room. Like the Phillies, probably two years away from the kids stepping up and the franchise taking the step to elite level.

[el-pietro]

Bookies in this part of the world rank the four teams in terms of chances to win their respective championships as follows:
Eagles 9-1
Sixers 14-1
Phillies 20-1
Flyers 25-1

[DurhamBull]

Maybe the Phils should shore up their bullpen with Nick Foles?

[el-pietro]

Could Ben Simmons play short? Embiid could definitely pitch out of the pen. Put Giroux at catcher.

[Philsmania]

They all played in 2011 playoff games, Sixers lost to Heat, Flyers lost in round 2, Eagles lost in wild card game.

But only the Phillies were really a championship contender at that point. The Sixers had their pre-Process cap-strapped good-enough-to-barely-make-the playoffs-but-not-a-championship-contender teams. Flyers had something of the same though they came up just short the Cup the year before. The Eagles were beginning the long limp to the end of the Andy Reid Era.

[Austinfan]

Flyers died when Pronger got injured.