Philles Trade Freddy Galvis

Austinfan 2017-12-15 18:01:33 UTC #21

Let's see him outperform them first, Anderson's stuff is just as good, Eshelman was a 2nd rd pick and Tavares the fastest riser in the organization.
I think they'll want to work with De Los Santos, start him at Reading and have him earn the promotion (and push Kilome).
Given the inevitable injuries, anyone at AA can end up in Philly by August if they earn it.

De Los Santos is a good pitching prospect, but Klentak has been collecting these guys for two years.
Which is the point, promotions will be earned, not given to the "last man standing."

andyb 2017-12-15 18:04:10 UTC #22

Hoskins is likely to be good but not great, but over a full year that is probably better than the combo of Joseph and 50-game unicorn we ended up with.

Who knows about Alfaro. Could hit .230 with a 280 OBP and lose half his playing time. Or he could continue to get better and hit .280 with 20 HRs. I have no clue but it is the right thing to go with him. A little surprised Rupp was not moved over the winter meetings though backup catcher is probably at the bottom of many teams' priority lists

julio 2017-12-15 18:04:51 UTC #23

Serves as a reminder that one shouldn't evaluate a GM's "off-season" until that off-season is over!

andyb 2017-12-15 18:06:01 UTC #24

Anderson was 2 years older than De Los Santos at AA last year and had an inferior year comparatively. Eshelman and Tavares both have stuff that grades much lower. Fast riser or not they are seen as 5th starters at best.

bigegypt0417 2017-12-15 18:06:10 UTC #25

Just as an FYI...Anderson was 23 at reading and De Los Santos had better numbers. I'm not sure Anderson stands in the way of a guy who will more than likely be close to our top 10 prospect list.

julio 2017-12-15 18:07:39 UTC #26

As we just saw, trades don't just happen at the Winter Meetings. We have no way of knowing what discussions might have taken place concerning Rupp... what seeds may have been planted.

phillychuck 2017-12-15 18:14:11 UTC #27

All evaluations prior to April 1 are now certified as tentative.

phillychuck 2017-12-15 18:15:46 UTC #28

I suspect Anderson pitched in a tougher home park, but the Texas League is no picnic.

Austinfan 2017-12-15 18:17:48 UTC #29

Anderson had TJ surgery. That tends to slow you down.
There's no need to rush De Los Santos, if he's for real, he'll get promoted quickly.
Same with Sixto, if he dominates Clearwater, he'll be in Reading by July.
And Kilome, if he refines his command, he'll be in Lehigh in no time.

Phillies tend not to rush prospects, which I agree - if a prospect is ready, he'll jump out at you, if he's not, leave him at a level where he can work on stuff and get positive feedback.

Those lists are for fans, just look at the rankings of the players who were promoted to the Show the last few years, Leiter? Altherr? Ramos? Lively?
The organization has different timetables and different roles for different players, and I doubt they give a hoot for prospect rankings.

julio 2017-12-15 18:21:41 UTC #30

Done deal - officially announced by the Phillies:

julio 2017-12-15 18:35:51 UTC #31

Here's the press release:

Friday, December 15, 2017

PHILLIES TRADE GALVIS TO SAN DIEGO

The Phillies have traded shortstop Freddy Galvis to the San Diego Padres in exchange for 21-year-old right-hander Enyel De Los Santos, Vice President and General Manager Matt Klentak announced today.

De Los Santos made 26 appearances (24 starts) in 2017 for double-A San Antonio and went 10-6 with a 3.78 ERA and 1.19 WHIP while holding opposing hitters to a .237 average. In a start on April 14 this past season versus Northwest Arkansas, De Los Santos required only 64 pitches to toss 6.0 perfect innings with seven strikeouts. Originally signed by the Seattle Mariners as an amateur free agent in 2014, De Los Santos was traded to the Padres on November 12, 2015 in exchange for Joaquin Benoit. He is currently ranked as the Padres’ 13th-best prospect according to MLB.com.

Galvis, who spent 12 years in the Phillies organization after being signed as a 16-year-old amateur free agent in 2006, played in a total of 642 games for the Phillies over the last six seasons (2012-17). A Rawlings Gold Glove finalist in 2017, he led all National League shortstops in starts (155), innings (1359.1) and fielding percentage (.989). Selected as the Phillies’ recipient for the MLBPAA’s 2017 Heart and Hustle Award, Galvis appeared in all 162 games, the first Phillies player to do so since Ryan Howard in 2008.

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bigegypt0417 2017-12-15 18:36:38 UTC #32

Why leave the more developed prospect behind?

If he's still healing from TJ then Anderson should be the one who stays behind and if he's for real, he'll get promoted quickly. If you're using merit to promote then it's not Anderson.

julio 2017-12-15 19:06:41 UTC #33

zambonir 2017-12-15 19:09:40 UTC #34

This is practically in the "good trade, who'd we get?" category for me. Inasmuch as it wasn't clear if they would really move him.

And it's also a good return. Not sure they would have done better last deadline (maybe two players, but neither of them as good, plus JP didn't reallly look ready in mid-July).

nycphils 2017-12-15 20:07:54 UTC #35

From BP:

de los Santos is one of several prospects in this tier that had an argument for the top ten. His fastball sits plus and regular bumps the mid-90s, and it generates a lot of late swings due to a deceptive and compact arm action given his size and lanky build. He adds in a potentially solid-average change and average curve—although the latter is a bit short and only flashes at present—and throws strikes with all of them. There isn’t a ton of upside here, but it’s another potential backend arm in a system stuffed to the gills with pitching prospects.

schooldoc 2017-12-15 21:12:13 UTC #36

I got in a nice little Twitter conversation with Paul Jolovitz (@jollywipradio), who I thought knew more about baseball than he seems to based on this tweet:

Do not like Galvis trade at all...they took a large step back at shortstop.

So I went on to mention Freddy's .287 lifetime OBP, average defensive metrics, and free agency after 2018. Jolly then pooped all over JP Crawford. So, he & I see things a little differently.

zambonir 2017-12-15 22:12:51 UTC #37

Do any WIP hosts really know baseball? (More than football or basketball, I mean).

If Crawford bombs the Phillies will still be able to find a better SS than Galvis from 2019-2021. Better than Galvis ever was, as well as better than he'll be by then.

allentown 2017-12-15 22:17:29 UTC #38

He's paid to be controversial. It was a decent trade of a guy who needed to be traded and whose value was likely to fall. I can't say that we won the trade, but the trade was fine. I think Eflin is a fair comparison and I've liked Eflin, but don't see him as more than a #4/5 starter on a contending Phillies team and not a sure thing to achieve that. It's a numbers game. We now have quite a few pitchers who I would tag 'reasonable chance to become a #4 starter'. Likely half won't achieve that and one will step forward to be more than that. I see Pivetta as the highest ceiling of that group but maybe 30% odds to reach that ceiling. I see Sanchez as the one guy who can rise above #3 starter and Nola as the guy who already has.

Austinfan 2017-12-15 22:23:56 UTC #39

I wouldn't write Eflin off. BIzarre situation with his knees, if he can build up his lower body strength and pitch without pain, who knows?
I'd be happy with a couple #4 starters, because anyone who can pitch 30 starts, 180 IP, FIP/ERA 4-4.5 is worth a couple WAR in today's game.
Heck, Eickhoff was worth 3 WAR a couple years ago.

andyb 2017-12-15 23:14:57 UTC #40

BA likes De Los Santos though as with a number of our power starting arms they think there is a possibility his eventual role is in the back of the bullpen (note this has been said at times about Velasquez and Pivetta).