News of Former Phillies 2019/2020

[David_Criss]

Sean Rodriguez released by Marlins - how long before he ends up in San Francisco?

[bkox]

Ken Giles needs Tommy John surgery

[el-pietro]

Cole Hamels back on the IL

[zambonir]

oh wow, I saw a reference but thought maybe he'd just pitched badly.

let's sign him as our #6 next year

[el-pietro]

sucks to see him hurt and it obviously hurts his front HoF chances but being completely selfish I am a little glad we don't have to see him have success with Atlanta. Would love to have him on a 1(+1) type deal if he's healthy next year. Obviously depending in price and other options.

[zambonir]

I would like him to succeed/not-for-Atlanta as well. At 37, he might be looking at a minor league deal next year, even if he was still considered an eight-figure pitcher this year.

What's amazing is this was the first year after his original Phillies extension (2019 was the option).

[andyb]

Pivetta starting tonight against the Orioles.

[bkox]

Hunter Pence retires

[Philsmania]

Hunter Pence retires

For all the hand-wringing when that trade was made, taking the trade by itself and ignoring what both teams did subsequently with what was acquired, the Phillies' return on that trade was better than the Astros'. Pence accomplished more in his career than Cosart, Singleton, Zeid and Santana accomplished in their careers thereafter combined. In fact, Santana is the only one of the four still in baseball the day Pence retired, though he is currently in the minors for all practical purposes (Cleveland's alternate training site). In that abstract, Amaro made a good trade. However, the Phillies squandered what was probably a trade win by dumping Pence the following season while the Astros squeezed more out of their in-the-long-run disappointing return by deploying Cosart and Santana as assets rather than clinging to them as essential building blocks (which Wade surely would have done if he wasn't relieved of his duties, in an effort to save face, if nothing else).

[zambonir]

We should have traded for Beltran (But now we have Wheeler)

[Philsmania]

Red Sox fire manager Ron Roenicke who played for the Phillies in 1986-87.

[Philsmania]

Also reported on death notices thread...

2-time World Series champ Johnstone dies at 74

[Purduke]

Will Middlebrooks involved on periphery, through friendship, of weekend police shooting in Texas.

Officer involved was arrested last night and charged with murder.

https://news.yahoo.com/middlebrooks-raises-over-56k-family-210252657.html

[Philsmania]

As also reported on the Death Notices thread, Kim Batiste dead at 52. Apparently had diabetes and kidney issues. "Battie" was something of a lovable loser in my book. They guy really was not a very good player. At the plate, he was a hacker's hacker. In parts of five seasons in the majors, he had all of FOURTEEN walks. And, defensively, while he was an improvement over Hollins who was an absolute butcher in the field, I don't think he was all that great there either. But, he had some memorable moments during that charmed '93 season. A game-winning grand slam, filling in admirably for Hollins when he was out for three weeks, his redeeming himself for his error in Game 1 of the NLCS. For that reason, I remember him fondly and am sorry to hear of his passing. Too young at age 52.

Check out the embeded video. Harry and Whitey will make you smile. Battie's with them now.

Phils '93 NLCS hero Kim Batiste dies at 52

[bkox]

Chase Utley watched hours of film, spent 2017 World Series trying to catch...

[David_Criss]

Sal Fasano interviewing with Detroit to be The Tigers next manager.

[bkox]

J.P. Crawford and Cesar Hernandez win gold gloves

[zambonir]

Whoa.

Cesar never comes up as one of Klentak's missteps because at the end of the day it's the same misstep - trading Crawford wasn't great, and neither is yoking the team to Segura's salary. Without that obligation they could have kept Cesar, and bringing back Didi would also be easy.

[LoneStarPhan]

I think we all knew that by now, the trade for Segura would be tipping toward the other side, but the counted on boost to the Phillies that would have made the deal OK for the Phillies just did not happen. Like most of what Klentak did, it just did not work out well.

[zambonir]

I don't mind losing the Crawford/Segura trade (though I reject that it was the price of shedding Santana's salary because we took back more money than we sent, both short and long-term). It's just insult to injury that on last year's team we could have been better with Cesar plus a relief pitcher, and this year's is hamstrung too.