Minor League Games - Monday, June 4, 2018

[kikutaro]

Lehigh Valley IronPigs - Off

Richmond Flying Squirrels (28-25) @ Reading Fightin Phils (24-31) 9:45 am | Gameday
Shaun Anderson (5-2, 3.38) vs. JoJo Romero (3-4, 5.11)

Final
Reading 6, Richmond 5

Notable

Cord Sandberg 2-5, 2 R, 2B, 2 K
Emmanuel Marrero 1-4, R, BB, K
Jiandido Tromp 2-5, 2 R, 3 RBI, 3B, 2 K
Darick Hall 2-5, RBI, K
Brandon Bednar 2-5, 2B, K
Cornelius Randolph 0-3, 2 K
Austin Bossart 2-4, R, RBI, 2B, BB
Jan Hernandez 0-2, 2 K

JoJo Romero 5.0 IP, 5H, 4R, 4ER, 2BB, 3K, game score: 47
Ranfi Casimiro (BS, 2), 2.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 0K
Luke Leftwich (H, 2), 1.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 1BB, 1K
Edgar Garcia (BS, 2)(W, 5-1), 2.0 IP, 1H, 1R, 1ER, 1BB, 3K

Clearwater Threshers (24-30) @ Daytona Tortugas (30-21) 7:05 pm | Gameday
Bailey Falter (4-2, 3.08) vs. N/A

Game Over (Middle 9)
Daytona 5, Clearwater 3

Notable

Arquimedes Gamboa 3-3, R, 2B, 2 BB, 2 SB, CS
Henri Lartigue 0-5, 4 K
Austin Listi 1-2, RBI, 3 BB, K
Mickey Moniak 0-5, 2 K
Raul Rivas 2-5, R, 3B
Jose Pujols 3-5, R, RBI, 2B, K
Jose Gomez 2-5, RBI, K

Bailey Falter (L, 4-2), 5.1 IP, 6H, 4R, 4ER, 4BB, 5K, game score: 45

Lakewood BlueClaws - Off

DSL Phillies Red (0-2) @ DSL Nationals (2-0) 10:30 am | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Final
DSL Nationals 8, DSL Phillies Red 0

Notable

Guarner Dipre 0-4, 2 K
Freddy Francisco 0-4, 2 K
Edward Barboza 0-1, 2 BB, K

Cristian Hernandez (L, 0-1), 3.1 IP, 6H, 8R, 4ER, 0BB, 4K, game score: 22

DSL Tigers1 (0-2) @ DSL Phillies White (2-0) 10:30 am | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Final
DSL Phillies White 4, DSL Tigers1 2

Notable

Carlos Mendoza 1-3, R, BB
Luiggi Mujica 1-3, R, BB, CS
Oscar Gonzalez 2-4, R, 2 RBI, HR, K, CS
Jevi Hernandez 2-4, R, 3B, CS

Juan Geraldo 5.0 IP, 3H, 0R, 0ER, 1BB, 4K, game score: 66
Osvaldo Arauz (H, 1), 0.1 IP, 2H, 2R, 2ER, 1BB, 0K
Nathanael Bido (BS, 1), 0.2 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 1BB, 0K
Alexis Herrera (W, 1-0), 2.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 4K
Juan Miranda (S, 1), 1.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 2K

(click on the start time for box scores)

[Philsmania]

REA with its annual Morning Madness game.

[andyb]

DSL White Starter Juan Geraldo is still 16 and getting the start. He was not one of the larger bonus guys but since he had an August birthday he might have gotten lost in the press releases around the July signings.

Remember that the best pitching prospects on our DSL teams are generally the 16 and 17 year olds that are in the starting rotation. If they are 18 or 19 they are generally lesser prospects and the same is true for pitchers in the bullpen right off the bat (not that there are not paths of success through the bullpen - it is just the starters are generally the better prospects).

[schooldoc]

andyb--who are the players to watch in the DSL?

[andyb]

andyb--who are the players to watch in the DSL?

I listed the high bonus guys in another thread. Generally it is the 16 and 17 year olds that are in the starting rotation or in prominent regular spots in the batting order (especially those batting 1-4). Obviously it helps to play well, but in general the Phillies will play the better prospects regularly and the younger they are when that happens the better.

After a week or two we will have a better idea of this outside of the ones where we know the bonus. That is guys like Geraldo. A 16-year-old with no bonus announcement starting the 2nd game of the year means the Phillies like him.

[Philsmania]

REA wins to push the stateside affiliates overall W-L record to a dizzying two games over .500.

[andyb]

Tough break for Romero on his stats. Looks like he left with a couple of runners on in the 6th and Casimiro let them all in with a throwing error. So Romero gets charged the earned runs and Casimiro gets the rare blown save when he pitches 2 IP with 0 hits or walks.

[Lucky_Beagle]

Tough break for Romero on his stats. Looks like he left with a couple of runners on in the 6th and Casimiro let them all in with a throwing error. So Romero gets charged the earned runs and Casimiro gets the rare blown save when he pitches 2 IP with 0 hits or walks.

throwing error and earned runs something doesn't sound right?

OK i looked it up....

The error really had nothing to do with run scoring since it set up a sacrifice fly and a double play to end the inning. I am assume the official scorer didn't think the bunt would have gotten an out at third since it was ruled an earned run. You seem very harsh on a guy who committed an error on a bunt, got a fly ball (SF tied the game) and a double play ball. You also didn't mention the starter Romero walked the first two guys in the inning who both eventually scored.

Ronnie Jebavy walks.
Jerry Sands walks. Ronnie Jebavy to 2nd.
Dylan Davis singles on a ground ball to center fielder Cord Sandberg. Ronnie Jebavy scores. Jerry Sands to 2nd.
Defensive switch from right field to left field for Jiandido Tromp.
Defensive Substitution: Jan Hernandez replaces pitcher JoJo Romero, batting 9th, playing right field.
Pitching Change: Ranfi Casimiro replaces JoJo Romero, batting 6th.
Jeff Arnold hits a sacrifice bunt. Fielding error by pitcher Ranfi Casimiro. Jerry Sands to 3rd. Dylan Davis to 2nd. Jeff Arnold to 1st.
Tyler Brown out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Cord Sandberg. Jerry Sands scores. Dylan Davis to 3rd.
John Polonius grounds into a double play, second baseman Emmanuel Marrero to first baseman Darick Hall. Jeff Arnold out at 2nd.

[kikutaro]

From the log:

Richmond Top of the 6th

• Ronnie Jebavy walks.
• Jerry Sands walks. Ronnie Jebavy to 2nd.
• Dylan Davis singles on a ground ball to center fielder Cord Sandberg. Ronnie Jebavy scores. Jerry Sands to 2nd.
• Defensive switch from right field to left field for Jiandido Tromp.
• Defensive Substitution: Jan Hernandez replaces pitcher JoJo Romero, batting 9th, playing right field.
• Pitching Change: Ranfi Casimiro replaces JoJo Romero, batting 6th.
• Jeff Arnold hits a sacrifice bunt. Fielding error by pitcher Ranfi Casimiro. Jerry Sands to 3rd. Dylan Davis to 2nd. Jeff Arnold to 1st.
• Tyler Brown out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Cord Sandberg. Jerry Sands scores. Dylan Davis to 3rd.
• John Polonius grounds into a double play, second baseman Emmanuel Marrero to first baseman Darick Hall. Jeff Arnold out at 2nd.

Read more: http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2018_06_04_ricaax_reaaax_1&t=g_log&sid=milb#ixzz5HUecLNNR

[Philsmania]

With Sanchez probably on the way, maybe Reading's season will suddenly become very interesting.

[andyb]

Oscar Gonzalez, who was the 3rd highest priced catcher we signed last year ($135K) with a HR in his second game. 5 scoreless from Juan Geraldo.

[andyb]

Moniak is officially hot I guess. 19 on the BA Hot Sheet:

Top MLB Prospects Hot Sheet (6/4/2018)

[schooldoc]

Haseley not in the CLW lineup.

[Austinfan]

Not that simple.
They always have a group of LA pitchers who are "underfed" who they marinate for a year or two in the DSL before bringing them stateside, some as old as 20.
So while the top bonus guys like Morales tend to skip the DSL, a lot of the low cost guys will stay there until 19 or so when they're physically ready to come stateside.

Seranthony was 17 and 18 in the DSL
Suarez in the VSL from 16-18 (turned 19 in August)
Taveras was 20 in the DSL
Edgar Garcia, Medina were 17 in the DSL
Sixto was 16, turned 17 in the DSL
Llovera was 19 in the VSL
Rosso was 20, turned 21 in the DSL before being promoted last year

[andyb]

And your point is.....that some low level prospects can develop? Nobody ever disputes this. It happens to every organization. And it does not have anything to do with the central point that the Phillies put the best prospects in the starting rotation or prominent spots in the batting order even if they are young. There is always a pecking order and the best prospects play. And guys like Listi unfortunately have to wait for promotions sometimes because there are better prospects ahead of them.

There are few really good prospects who spend more than a year in the DSL. Doesn't mean there are none. Doesn't mean a low level prospect can't develop. But the better prospects generally skip DSL or only spend one year there. And even those better prospects that do make it eventually (like Seranthony) tend to be in the starting rotation from almost day one.

[allentown]

That was then, now we have a 2nd GCL team and they will be stuffed with LA players to the limits of our ability to obtain visas. Underfed Dominicans and Panamanians can beef up just as well in FL as in the DR. This is especially true this year, since I think we will be light on H.S. draftees, at least those we are able to sign.

[Austinfan]

My point is when you're looking at the DSL teams, if a pitcher is starting, or closing, then they're the ones considered prospects at this time by the organization. A 16 year old who's pitching in relief but not finishing games is not considered ready and will probably repeat next year. A 20 year old who is starting is being given a shot - now some may be there to keep the team competitive (unfortunately we rarely have scouting reports on these kind of players) but often they're starting because they've been marinated for a couple years and are now getting their shot at showing they have upside.

[andyb]

But your point is not even remotely true. The better prospects start. Always have and always will. That list of names you mentioned almost all started in DSL. Are there a few that are non prospects that get better (like Ranger Suarez). Of course there are. Nobody disputes that. Nobody thought Suarez throwing 85 was much of a prospect when he signed. I am guessing he was signed to fill out the thin VSL rosters and somebody thought he had LOOGY potential because he knew how to pitch.

That is all besides the point though. The pitchers that the Phillies consider the best prospects are the ones that the put in the starting rotation and the better ones are usually the younger ones. There will always be late round picks and low dollar signings that develop, but when the Phillies signed them the Phillies themselves did not consider them top prospects and they admit that if they do not put them in the starting rotation.

[julio]

You guys are something.

AF writes:

My point is when you're looking at the DSL teams, if a pitcher is starting, or closing, then they're the ones considered prospects at this time by the organization.

andyb rebuts:

But your point is not even remotely true. The better prospects start.

From where I sit, andyb's reply would have made more sense here without the words "not even remotely."

[andyb]

AF's constant point is that everyone should be considered a prospect. That their signing bonus or age don't mean much because anyone could turn out to be a Ranger Suarez. This is just not true. Prospect discussions are about ranking prospects and I responded to a question about who to watch on the DSL roster with a "look at the younger starting pitchers and starting position players in the top part of the lineup". For some reason AF thought this was worth disputing with his "everyone's a prospect" logic.

And I would actually say that the closers in complex leagues are normally non-prospects. This is not parsing words. It is disputing a central point that just is not true. Everybody is not considered a prospect. And the better prospects tend to be younger and the Phillies tend to play them. AF disputes this without a whole lot of evidence.