Girardi Fired by Phillies

[bkox]

Simpleton and the Sucks need to sell.

Really? Isnt this like 2nd grade type name calling and insults? Ive always felt the conversation on this board was above this stuff.

[Dirk41]

Middleton did what was asked of him this offseason. This is all on DD and who he picks is huge

[zambonir]

I really don't remember that. I thought the whole thing was handled terribly from the get-go (putting Sandberg on Charlie's staff, not giving Charlie an extension, blaming Charlie when the team was plainly not good enough). Though I'm sure we all romanticized the beloved minor league manager (and former Phillies minor leaguer) and (I'm assuming) imagined he'd magically turn the Phillies into a team that handled young players well. But nobody imagined he'd be that bad. He basically made himself unemployable.

Ironically, while Joe will probably work again, I don't know that it will be for the Cubs - his dream as well as Sandberg's.

[julio]

Simpleton and the Sucks need to sell.

Really? Isnt this like 2nd grade type name calling and insults? Ive always felt the conversation on this board was above this stuff.

Philsmania is apparently auditioning for the Republican nomination for President in 2024?

[Philsmania]

They're billionaires. Flog them like Bernie!

[Austinfan]

Barber seems to be competent, hard to judge the 2021 draft but both Abel and Painter seem good picks.
The LA scouting group needs to be blown up.
I'd like to see some real progress in prospects this summer, some evidence they're finally figuring out player development.

Manager matters b/c this is a veteran laden team, where managerial changes seem to have the greatest short-term impact. But in the long run, scouting and development are a lot more important.

[gmwannabe]

What did Bernie Parent do??

[Aquapong]

Guys there’s a politics thread. Please keep it there. The last board I left let politics creep into every thread and it just got annoying. I come here to talk baseball and Phillies and I know personally I’d like to keep those functions separate from politics as my short lived foray i to the politics thread showed.

[nycphils]

I think they have to stick with DD; this organization has to pick a plan and stick to it.

Even though he’s got a reputation for going for vets over youth, he’s typically hung on to the good ones and cashed in the frauds - for example, even though Crouse hasn’t been good, trading Spencer Howard for Gibson looks smart as of now with Howard abysmal and already 25 y.o.

If they dump DD and change direction again, we are more likely to spend more years in the loser bin.

[Ryles]

Why are we only now hearing that Girardi's intense attitude hindered the young talent? I guess the press didn't want to step on Joe's toes. Years ago, we would of heard hints of that from Hochman or Conlin.

[zambonir]

Ironically if the fans could have actually seen Joe's intense attitude he might not have been on such a hot seat. I think it was pretty obvious how he handled the young talent though, and the team had his back (most notably with Bohm last year). Until it didn't.

Y'know, Dombrowski brought in Schwarber and Castellanos because of their track record on winning teams and their atttitude/leadership, respectively. They and the relief pitchers are the only new people in the clubhouse and also the group that was struggling.

Dombrowski isn't going anywhere but he's only on a four-year deal. He is going to hire the next manager and they may as well give him at least a one-year extension if he'll take it (it doesn't seem like he has a Nashville job to go back to that soon even if he can get involved again). Put them on the same timeline; you also can't have him giving out five-year deals and making major trades heading into the 2024 season if you don't know who's even running the team in 2025.

[bkox]

This place has been around for 20 years and you are admonishing the lead admin of the board. I think we are fine

[gmwannabe]

Me too. sorry I thought he was writing about Parent.
gm

[andyb]

We do mostly have a consensus (not a rule) against silly nicknames. We can discuss whether people are doing a good or bad job without resorting to name-calling. Hard to be perfect about this, but most of us try....

[zambonir]

I've always thought of the rule as, "if it sounds like something you'd say on WIP, go call them instead of typing it."

But I also didn't think the thread actually became "about' politics just because of a few analogies.

[DurhamBull]

According to the Washington Post, Joe Girardi said of Thomson that he was “the best coach I’ve ever been around” and who “was deserving of this role a long time ago.” Regardless of how much one trusts Girardi's judgement on the topic, I think that's a really classy thing to say.

Edit: corrected the spelling of Thomson’s name. Thanks @zambonir!

[zambonir]

They've been together more than 20 years, it's a weird deal but of course he's going to be happy for him.

And let's start practicing: it's Thomson.

Funny that the Phillies have now had two consecutive managers that were in the opposing dugout the last time they were in the World Series. If only because it wasn't Girardi who hired Thomson here.

[zambonir]

weirdly the Post did it too! (after spelling it correctly in the first paragraph)

[LoneStarPhan]

We are in for a run of misspellingings.

[Philsmania]

I learned today that Thomson is from Canada making him the Phillies' first non-American manager although the Quakers/Phillies' second manager Harry Wright was born in the UK though he naturalized at some point.