22 Philadelphia Phillies (Falter) @ Miami Marlins (Alcantara, S)

andyb 2022-09-14 18:42:35 UTC #101

We did not really rush Stott and Haseley and Moniak. They all had plenty of time in the minors given their draft pedigree and individual situations. Haseley and Moniak were just not that good. Stott probably needed to struggle in the majors for a couple of months like many young prospects do. Sometimes one needs to learn at the highest level.

LHV will have Ortiz, Rojas, De La Cruz, and Muzziotti at some point. Not 100% sure Rojas and CDLC will be there at the beginning of the year. Hopefully all 4 get there and we use the DH to make sure everyone gets enough playing time. Rojas is really the only very good prospect of the group though. The rest have flaws that they may or may not improve upon. It is nice that we will have good outfield prospects in AAA next year, but all this is cyclical and conversely we probably won't have much in the way of infield prospects there next season.

Austinfan 2022-09-14 19:27:33 UTC #102

I've given up on Ortiz, no sign he'll ever learn to make consistent contact.
De La Cruz on the other hand has taken a big step up.
Muzzioti just has to stay healthy enough to get some PAs.

allentown 2022-09-14 19:47:40 UTC #103

Yes, Moniak had about 1500 AB before his initial appearance in MLB. That should be plenty for a 1.1. A ton of information should have been available to our scouts. They messed up badly in thinking he could be a good defensive CF. The realization that he likely would have to make it as a corner OF if he was to be an MLB starter, rather than a bench guy caused them to mess with his swing and push him to bulk up, in order to generate the HR-rate of a starting corner. If was a poor prospect year to land our 1.1 and the Phillies used part of the slot $ for other draftees. Unfortunately, the guys who got part of Moniak's bonus allocation didn't pan out.

zambonir 2022-09-14 20:06:40 UTC #104

The failures are aggregate, and well known. Any one pick can easily be defended or excused. LG Jr. wasn't even a real-first-rounder (taken 39th), the true issue in 2011 was probably not having a first-round pick to begin with (though that was still a good draft with Roman Quinn, Morgan, Asche and Giles). Moniak was one of 10 players they could have taken in 2016 who did not pan out (even Ian Anderson has faltered this year) and there were 10 more they could have taken we would have liked even less at the time (i.e. if they want completely off board). Randolph was a miss but same thing really.

The exception in both 2015 and 2016 are the Dodgers' picks at the end of the round, and there's probably a reason every team but the Dodgers missed on them. It will be another five years before we'll know if the Barber/Dombrowski era can truly change history or at least erase what the previous three regimes (Gillick/Amaro/Klentak) failed to improve, whether they tried to (Klentak) or just stayed the course (Amaro).

allentown 2022-09-14 20:07:38 UTC #105

He's hard to judge. He was very good at Lakewood last season. He started this Reading season ok, but has really faded during August/Sept. He may be a guy who is always going to K in a third of his ABs.

allentown 2022-09-14 20:11:17 UTC #106

Yes, any single pick can be rationalized in either direction, but the Phillies have an undeniable history of failing to draft/sign/develop first round H.S. OFs and their high bonus $ Latin American OFs. Taken as a whole, it is an outstandingly awful record.

Austinfan 2022-09-14 21:26:37 UTC #107

He's now has 2400 PA, and he's still got a K rate of around 33%.
Yes, he had a good year at A+ ball, after repeating at that level.
Stick a fork in him.

De La Cruz also strikes out a lot, but the light went on when he was promoted to JS last year and has stayed on at both levels this year.

andyb 2022-09-14 21:27:11 UTC #108

No sign De La Cruz will either. Everything in AA is a tiny sample. You just make these snap decisions. They are both kind of C/C+ level prospects at this point. Good enough for our top 20-25 but nothing that suggests they can hit major league pitching. Ortiz has made himself a decent defensive OF and that counts for something.