Eagles 2021-2022 Season

LegoDoom 2022-04-30 22:02:39 UTC #564

Saying Foles won a SB and Wentz was a bust is just so wrong. Yes, I know Foles was technically on the field during the game, but Wentz was 3rd in MVP voting that year and Foles was traded and spit out of a few teams before accepting a backup role with the Eagles and only got on the field because Wentz went down (and then Foles absolutely sucked the next year).

If you want to take those odds, then ok. I just think it's going to be a while.

allentown 2022-04-30 23:40:38 UTC #565

Nick Foles actually won 5 playoff games for the Eagles, including the SB. Not flukey either. In his 3 wins in our SB season, he had a QB rating of 115. Like RGIII in Washington (who had the excuse of more serious injury than Wentz) Wentz had a good season. He was bad enough Eagles were happy to see him gone. He wore out his welcome in Indy in one season, losing a critical game to worst team in the league to miss the playoffs. He possibly could turn things around this season, but as of now, he is a head-case and a bust. Wentz has appeared in one playoff game and injured early, due to his refusal to slide and kamikazi style of play.

Being a most-of-one-season wunderkind does not a top-5 QB make.

bkox 2022-05-01 00:03:02 UTC #566

zambonir 2022-05-01 00:22:23 UTC #567

I feel like nobody is actually saying anything untrue or incorrect or contradictory about the QBs. Lots of things are true at once. It's possible you can win w/o an elite QB. It's also unlikely Hurts is one - but not impossible that he still develops into someone that is good enough. I do think late bloomers are rare. This league spits out and gives up on young QBs faster than ever, including the higher first-rounders. And the correlation between college performance and pro success remains pretty haphazard too.

Nothing the Eagles are doing now was actually planned two years ago. They were supposed to be competing for more NFC East titles behind Wentz and Pederson, and if not Pederson, probably an established head coach replacing him... as well as a more impressive replacement at DC. Now they have a developmental coach and a developmental DC (who still probably won't be here next year) and a developmental QB. They will either show make a lot progress over the next two years or there will be a new QB next season and probably a new coach by 2024 (if not also next season).

What I'm pretty sure of is they won't play in the Super Bowl over the next two years. And also that they won't change GMs.

Wentz's contribution to 2017 can't be understated, as it got them most of the way to 13-3 and out of the wild card round. The question is, can Hurts be as good as Foles? He is likely more talented than Foles, and more suited to the way the NFL offense has evolved, but when it was clicking for him, Foles had both arm strength and the ability to thrive within a particular offense. Hurts might too, in different ways. Or he they may both ultimately be back-ups.

Do we now think Howie was so attuned to Wentz's issues that he really did draft Hurts as a potential successor? I don't think so. Still seems like he was meant to be a back-up who might turn into something more - or into a trade chip - and of course, they really misread how Wentz would react. And as much as Wentz turned out to be a prima donna, not sure you can blame him for not liking the fact that a high draft pick was used there, not because it threatened his job but because he didn't make his offense better. In retrospect that doesn't matter because it looks like no offense with Wentz was going to be good enough, but they didn't actually think that at the time they gave him the contract.

LegoDoom 2022-05-01 00:37:23 UTC #568

Foles actually won 4 playoff games. 1 outside of 2017 and he was terrible otherwise even in the other win (and he wasn't that good in the 2017 first round either).

If you want to stick to this outlier, then go ahead, but he peaked in his 2nd year with Chip (with the exception of the 2017 postseason).

None if this is a good way to go about of thinking of a QB that can get you to the postseason consistently (let alone winning in the postseaon), which Foles surely didn't. Flacco also had one good postseason run, but was otherwise awful in the postseason (and his big postseason run earned him a huge contract that the Raven soon regretted).

Hurts is better than both of them, yet we are talking about that possibility of him not being with the team next season.

LegoDoom 2022-05-01 00:55:16 UTC #569

I'm not dismissing that a team can win a SB without an elite QB or that finding an elite QB is difficult (although the recent run of good, young QBs may challenge that as the NCAA seems to be pumping them out recently... Mahomes, Kyler, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson... I don't think Mac Jones fits in there, but he had a good rookie year... and I'm not sure Watson should be there, but he's certain elite and still only 26.

It's just so much easier to be consistently competitive with a really good one.

allentown 2022-05-01 00:59:37 UTC #570

Which sure isn't Wentz.

zambonir 2022-05-01 01:33:08 UTC #571

We 100% agree on this. I guess where we don't agree is on whether Hurts can be one. Not ruling it out (and neither are the Eagles), just not expecting it (and possibly, neither are the Eagles).

flyers19rw 2022-05-01 02:55:07 UTC #572

Bears just released Foles so he’s available.

bkeich 2022-05-01 03:04:20 UTC #573

I can think of worse guys to learn from.

Makes me wish they had moved Minshew for a mid round pick.

zambonir 2022-05-01 04:33:37 UTC #574

They can still make a good deal for Minshew if they want to. Be it summer or the deadline. At this point I would not want to see Foles behind center for anything other than draft position, even if he does get a statue.

Florida_Sunshine 2022-05-01 11:14:18 UTC #575

Washington should sign him.

bkeich 2022-05-01 12:09:29 UTC #576

No, I like him too much to see him playing for Washington

Florida_Sunshine 2022-05-01 12:52:48 UTC #577

Back to the draft.

I watched a lot of GA this past season and actually met #99 at the airport and chatted for a few minutes, wished him luck and said I hoped he ended up in Philly. I believe he was coming back from winning the Bednarik Award. Nice guy.

As for Dean, even if he needs surgery, this was a steal. Incredible sideline to sideline pursuit, hardly ever gets fooled, very cerebral. Solid tackler. We will love him. He is a little light for LB, wonder if he is fast enough to play S.

After being picked by the Eagles, Dean said he was ok. Guess we will find out at the physicals at minicamp.

phillychuck 2022-05-01 12:53:35 UTC #578

UDFA list as of Saturday night late:

Clemson CB Mario Goodrich
Alabama CB Josh Jobe
Duke CB Josh Blackwell
Nevada QB Carson Strong
Oklahoma RB Kennedy Brooks
MTSU Safety Reed Blankenship
Utah WR/KR/PR Britain Covey
Brown QB EJ Perry?
Idaho DT Noah Elliss
OkSU OL Josh Sills

Florida_Sunshine 2022-05-01 12:54:26 UTC #579

Josh Jobe. Here is another guy that dropped due to injuries. Rumor is he played all season on a foot injury.

bkeich 2022-05-01 13:00:24 UTC #580

3 CB and a Safety (one CB got a huge contract by UDFA standards). I think Howie knows what he needs. Somehow we always seem to get one of the top UDFA's every year.

Very intriguing 3rd QB prospect in Strong.

bkeich 2022-05-02 18:41:04 UTC #581

Well, after the "high" of a strong draft we now have the reality that the Eagles apparently believe that one safety and one CB is a good defense. You think we will play a 5-4-2 or a 3-6-2? Yes, I know Epps looked somewhat encouraging last year, but not sure I want him as "the plan" and even more terrified of K'Von Wallace starting. What the plan is at CB is a complete mystery, Maddox really is a slit CB, but maybe we are going to try him on the outside again.

allentown 2022-05-02 21:14:58 UTC #582

Fixing the Eagles was always going to be more than a one year job. Probably, and hopefully, a two year job. Realistically 3 years. The Eagles have made several major fixes, with Jurgens being looked at for 2023, and possibly Dean also.

They got the plus-plus young wide receiver they needed to give Hurts a fair test this season. That was the most important thing. So much of the future direction is based on the answer to that important question: Is Hurts good enough to be our franchise QB. Secondly: is he good enough to be our starting QB while on his rookie contract?

It is reasonable to see what the young DBs can do. If the front-7 can stop the run and the LBs can do a better job in coverage, then the secondary will have a reasonable test. Last year, they didn't get nearly enough help. Eagles likely try to add another vet DB, although I suspect $ a problem at this point. May be down to raiding other teams' practice squads and releases.

VoteForKalas 2022-05-02 21:23:50 UTC #583

For me, it has never been an either/or proposition.

Having a strong defense also helps Hurts and the team immensely.

This whole let's have a great offense and worry about the defense and ST later is so boneheaded.

The Eagles have been held back because Roseman & Co. had let the defense and punt/KO return game wither on the vine since the SB. This draft they finally seem to have understood that and invested resources.

They need to keep doing that so we can have a well balanced team that can win multiple ways and does not require a cap busting franchise QB unicorn that every team chases. If Hurts or someone else becomes a franchise QB, great, but do not hinge the entire team's future on that roll of the dice.