Eagles 2020-2021 Season

[LegoDoom]

The Eagles have multiple true deep threats. Why is that more important than a complete WR? Chase is not a true deep threat, but he looks to be a fantastic WR considering his route running and they way he catches the ball.

[allentown]

It opens up the field, because the DBs need to protect against the bomb. I'd certainly be pleased with the addition of Chase. He'd instantly become our #1 WR. Perhaps Reagor can learn the ball adjustment skills to go with his speed. Our QBs don't typically throw an accurate enough long ball for a guy without plus ball tracking/adjustment and hands to succeed on those routes.

[LegoDoom]

The team has DJax and Quez. Both are true deep threats.Chase isn't a huge deep threat. I don't get it.

You want to draft Chase as a true #1? I totally get it and I am on board, but Reagor wasn't considered a deep threat and neither was Justin Jefferson.

[allentown]

DJax will be gone for cap reasons and because he can't be counted on for more than a couple games per season. Quez has proven nothing so far.

[LegoDoom]

I guess my point was that the Eagles don't need an elite deep threat, but they do have 2 elite speed WRs on the roster. Aside from Tyreek do any of the top offenses have an elite deep threat? As much as DK Metcalf's name gets thrown around, Seattle doesn't have an elite passing offense. Henry Ruggs, who I was a big fan of, did very little this year.

I think separation should be looked at more closely. CeeDee doesn't have elite speed, but he gets a lot of separation and is explosive.

If he clears health concerns, I'd like the Eagles to take a chance on Justyn Ross. Seems very similar to Chase and could be a steal.

[zambonir]

"discussions this past Tuesday did not go well..."

Sources: Pederson to meet owner; future shaky

[gmwannabe]

What are these rumblings i'm hearing about the Jets trading for Pederson? Would Lurie give him up for a draft pick? Why not wait until he is let go and then sign him. If Jeff wants to keep him, could he be lured (not pun intended) to give doug up. interesting rumblings. i guess Howie will still be making the picks though. maybe not worth it.
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[zambonir]

I think the Inquirer or Athletic writers (or both) suggested that a while ago, due to the Douglas connection. But makes sense it would pick up legs now.

It's pretty hard to tell who wants what here in the Eagles front office. Hard to believe Doug and Carson has really become "him or me" but it's starting to seem that way. You also gotta wonder if the last game created some tension. Would be hilarious to read the NY tabloids if it happens, given the way they covered the tanking on the Giants' behalf.

[allentown]

Like the article posted above by zambonir, so much of this is crazy. The article above says Lurie is unhappy abput the roster and some of the coaches. Well, Howie is responsible for the roster and Lurie/Howie imposed coaches upon Pederson for this season and the team collapsed. With offensive coaches chosen for him, why is Wentz's gripe with Pederson. Pederson gave him 3/4 of a season of rope to try to right himself. Wentz's year is on a combination of poor supporting cast, new coaches, and mainly on Wentz, himself. Why would Lurie be upset about the 'tanking'. Surelly he and /or Howie ordered it. Pederson's job was rumored to be in jeopardy. Pederson had no reason to decide to tank, the better draft pick means nothing to a coach on a very immediate hot seat. It does mean something to Howie, who skated this year, but needs a good draft to retain draft responsibility beyond this upcoming draft.

Was it even a tank? Sudfeld started the season as the #2 QB. Hurtz started strong in his first games and then faded. He had an abysmal 25 passer rating when relieved by Sudfeld. Sudfeld thad been prepped to play a half in the game and should have been ready. Pederson had a great record with back-up QBs who are mediocre system QBs, who willingly run the plays Pederson calls. It wasn't obvious that Sudfeld was going to bomb. Sudfeld wasn't good, but the team around him was truly awful. They took a big collective step down when he entered the game.

[zambonir]

It's really hard to know who decided to do what. Whose call was it to make Wentz inactive, even? Who made the Sudfeld plan? Who wants which QB back?

But brass tacks it sounds like Lurie isn't taking any responsibility for meddling in the offense, and isn't willing to give Pederson back autonomy either. And by extension, Roseman isn't taking enough responsibility for buying the wrong groceries. And if the drafting of Hurts really did mess up Wentz, that's on them as much as him, for not anticipating it might be a problem.

It's not out of the question that Pederson didn't tank, I agree. Hurts wasn't playing well despite his running, Doug played to win with the 4th down throw and Hurts botched it (even though some saw that as giving away the three points), and he probably really does feel some loyalty to Sudfeld and wanted to reward him. It's also true that it could have worked, but probably not given Sudfeld's lack of practice time. He didn't get second team reps the week before the game even, that whole plan didn't come together until Saturday, and according to the Inquirer sources Doug didn't even tell Hurts directly that he might not play the whole game. If Sudfeld had actually gotten more work all season (even just in practice) maybe he could have repeated that history. But glad he didn't.

[jimbomill]

Was it even a tank? Sudfeld started the season as the #2 QB. Hurtz started strong in his first games and then faded. He had an abysmal 25 passer rating when relieved by Sudfeld. Sudfeld thad been prepped to play a half in the game and should have been ready.

Bingo - I'm on board with all that! 7/20 for 72 yards also seems to fit being called "a tank".

[bkox]

Source: Eagles change course, fire HC Pederson

[flyers19rw]

Well, Howie is responsible for the roster and Lurie/Howie imposed coaches upon Pederson for this season and the team collapsed. With offensive coaches chosen for him, why is Wentz's gripe with Pederson.

This is the consummate Roseman. He picks the players. He selects the coaches. When the team loses, he blames the HC. If Lurie can't see Roseman's role in this he's blind.

[phillychuck]

If you watch how the games go, and how Pederson handles the players he has, and how players leave the Eagles and go elsewhere and improve, you can certainly argue that there is enough blame to go around. I don't mind Pederson leaving. I think Reich was the brains behind 2017 for the most part.

[zambonir]

Lurie has to see his own role in this one.

[zambonir]

Did Reich even call the plays in 2017?

It sounds like Roseman had zero input here really, like, he wasn't even in the meetings.

Reports also saying Pederson was just as happy to move on.

It is probably for the best in that it increases the Eagles chances of trying again with Wentz, and not blowing all that salary cap capital. On the other hand, we now have a team that's run by the owner and the quarterback, not the GM or the coach.

[Philsmania]

I was going to say that the Flyers' Alain Vigneault is now the dean of Philadelphia coaches/managers but then I realized that the Union's Jim Curtin has been at his position even longer than Pederson was.

[allentown]

I'm not so sure that's true. Roseman may not have been at the meeting, but you can bet he primed Lurie to fire Pederson. I think there was a lot of Howie CYA going on. Howie is the guy Lurie likes to talk to and Wentz is the player with the direct line to Lurie. The team is Lurie's amusement, as well as wealth builder, and Roseman has been his guy. He was gone briefly during the brief Chip era, but Lurie brought him right back, rather than going outside. Clearly Roseman CYA, it is the rare SB champion coach who wouldn't push for more draft/FA/roster authority. Now, whom can the Eagles hire who won't be a threat to Howie's turf or employment?

[phillychuck]

Lots of people clearly hate Roseman. They hated Banner, too, but if you followed his interviews on the athletic you can see he was really smart about football--I think the haters were wrong.

If one has loyalty to Pederson for the Super Bowl, Roseman deserves some, too. He built the roster, signed Foles and other helpful free agents, etc.

In terms of looking at things that were on Pederson without much influence from Roseman, I remember off the top of my head:

• Wentz turning into a bad HS QB this year (might be on Wentz, too, but Roseman had nothing to do with it)
• Keeping Mailata on the bench for lesser players; not recognizing he was good until they had to play him.
• Benching Fulgham for Alshon; not recognizing Fulgham was decent before being forced to play him
• Playing Pryor ahead of Herbig
• Mis-managing Lane Johnson's injury (medical staff might be partially culpable, too)
• Ertz falling off a cliff.
• What appears to be a bad audible structure (did not work for Hurts, either) kill, kill, kill
• A passing game that the talking heads who do all-22 reviews say does not scheme receivers open (Cosell, Duffy)
• A poorly disciplined team in terms of overall penalties and dead ball penalties in particular

There are probably more. This doesn't exonerate Howie, but it's certainly a lot of things that at least appear to be Doug's fault.

[Philsmania]

It does seem as if Lurie's M.O. is to have a front office confidant who he sees as a football man extension of himself. For a long time, it was Banner and now it is Roseman.