2023 Phillies Regular Season Discussion Part 2

[zambonir]

Religious belief or hardcore fitness regimen?

I don't think Nelson had a bad year, he just got hurt in spring training and then the Phillies were so thin at starting pitcher (both for major league depth and in Allentown) that he was never a bullpen option. He started 20 games. We certainly don't want to see him in the playoffs now!

Bellatti seems more like the classic, if he was good last year, he won't be good this year guy. Since he was also more of a fringe arm to begin with. But he had some injuries too no?

[bkox]

Religious belief

Its religious belief. The famous "Thats a clown question bro" quote from Harper came from a reporter asking him if he will drink when the team goes to Canada where the legal age is 18. This was when Harper was 20.

Harper is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

[zambonir]

Yeah I knew he was but I wasn't sure how strict. And I did not recall the context of that!

[julio]

2 posts were merged into an existing topic: Phillies Hot Stove, 2023-24

[julio]

I know this is a next year thing, but I didn't want to create a new topic for it.

Why not? What is your reasoning here?

I think we covered this in another thread already and general consensus was no, but it's really impossible to say without knowing what a realistic deal might look like in terms of both talent and money.

Thanks, z. Yeah, we did. Here's a link (it took me about 30 seconds to find it, using the search function):

https://www.philliesphans.com/t/non-phillies-2023-major-league-season-discussion/53196/391

[zambonir]

Well, to be fair, there was also that hot stove thread which got locked (partly at my suggestion IIRC).

I'm kind of all or nothing about this sort of housekeeping question - I think there should either be more highly specific threads, i.e. one that is just about Mike Trout, or just about whether to re-sign Nola (and the alternatives) not the hot stove in general. Or we all continue to just do most of our posting in this one (along with the in-game and post-game conversation and of course the inevitable drift and OT) as usual.

I think some people are shy about starting new threads but also new/more granular threads tends to die and then we are right back here.

And of course the previous conversation was in the maxxed-out version of this thread, so that would continue here.

[julio]

I guess I'm just really bugged by posts that start out "I know this doesn't belong here, but..." We have a search function that works. (Search on "Trout," use Advanced Search to limit your search to the past month or so... if there's a recent discussion, it will come up.) If there's really nothing recent, then a new thread... or a consideration as to what existing thread makes the most sense... is in order.

Yeah, an offseason trade discussion (Trout or anybody else) really belongs in the Hot Stove thread. That's currently hidden, in obeisance to the Baseball Gods (e.g., we don't want to anger them and have them punish us by... well, you know). I'll bring that thread back when appropriate.

Aaahh... Looking at the aforementioned Hot Stove thread (which I can see, nyah, nyah ), it seems I committed to move "offending" posts to that thread. I'll do that with the Trout thing. Question, though. Do y'all think the Hot Stove thread should remain invisible for the next month or so, or be visible, but locked? [Note: It's currently visible, but pretty far down the list; I had to unhide it in order to move the posts in question.]

[andyb]

The hot stove thread should be visible and not locked. We need a place to discuss the future but understand if discussions on things like Mike Trout really don't belong in the current Phillies thread. We could do a separate postseason thread of course, but that seems a little unnecessary too.

[julio]

The hot stove thread should be visible and not locked. We need a place to discuss the future but understand if discussions on things like Mike Trout really don't belong in the current Phillies thread. We could do a separate postseason thread of course, but that seems a little unnecessary too.

That's one vote for "unlocked."

As for a separate postseason thread...I could go either way. We've already been discussing the postseason roster, and we'll have game threads. That seems like enough?

xogfog – you're the principal "victim" in all this. Any thoughts?

[zambonir]

If there's a post-season thread you'd just lock this one, so seems like six of one...

[andyb]

As for a separate postseason thread...I could go either way. We've already been discussing the postseason roster, and we'll have game threads. That seems like enough?

That is enough for me. Simplicity has its virtues.

And while we do have a search function, it is not really that easy to find something like a Mike Trout thread if it has not been used for a few months. Guessing there are Mike Trout references in dozens of threads every year. If we have a catch-all thread for every period of time (in season, off season) and one for Phillies and a second one for everyone else (non-Phillies, MLB) then we are probably set.

[julio]

And while we do have a search function, it is not really that easy to find something like a Mike Trout thread if it has not been used for a few months. Guessing there are Mike Trout references in dozens of threads every year.

I posted the link to the "trade for Trout?" discussion - it was two weeks ago (September 10th). And I guess I would argue that it's pretty easy to just set an "after" date in the search, so you only look for recent things.

That discussion was actually in the "non-Phillies" thread - which in the context of "look, the Angels are making everybody available" was completely on-topic.

If we have a catch-all thread for every period of time (in season, off season) and one for Phillies and a second one for everyone else (non-Phillies, MLB) then we are probably set.

I pretty much agree with this. Plus game threads, and minor league threads, of course!

[Sabin]

The hot stove thread should be visible and not locked. We need a place to discuss the future but understand if discussions on things like Mike Trout really don't belong in the current Phillies thread. We could do a separate postseason thread of course, but that seems a little unnecessary too.

I agree.

[LoneStarPhan]

Vote for visible and unlocked. Better to focus off season/hot stove discussions in a dedicated thread rather than have it creep into multiple threads which Julio tries to keep up with and move to the locked thread. We are going to be thinking about and making comments about this topic, so let's make it official and have the thread available.

[zambonir]

I sure hope we're not thinking about it! I mean, I get it, the next four or five days are meaningless and filled with off-season news for other teams. But once Tuesday hits I hope the only free agency talk we have for four weeks is, "wow, Nola's price is going up again."

[zambonir]

Rob Thomson names two playoff starters for Phillies; Bailey Falter on watching...

[xogfog]

New Rally Hat Idea For The Playoffs?

Support alligator denied entry into Phils' stadium

Maybe they should commission an alligator hat named Wally and use it to crown HR hitters in the playoffs.

[bkox]

So Citi Field is supposed to get several inches of rain Friday. We may need to have a DH on Saturday

[andyb]

Meaningless game - though it would let us bring Nelson up for a start to save some innings.

[bkox]

though it would let us bring Nelson up for a start to save some innings.

Only if we send someone else down. They dont allow an extra player brought up with the expanded Sept rosters.