2023 Phillies Regular Season Discussion Part 2

[Sabin]

(I put those in quotes because I first learned about OBP and OPS on the Phillies listserv in '93, and it was only 10 years later that Moneyball came out).

The movie? That was 2011.

[tom81]

I’m sure he is referring to the book. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneyball

[zambonir]

Have you never read the book? It's okay, neither did the Phillies

[Jazzhead]

guess I really don't know much about fantasy baseball if runs and RBIs don't count for a lot!

There are different fantasy games. The league I'm in is an APBA league, the cards-based game where a season of baseball is played with dice and cards which replicate players' performance from the previous year. It's a keeper league, so part of the fun is watching players accumulate stats for next year. I'm pleased as punch, for example, that TJ Friedl may be my starting CF next year.

But card grades don't care about team-based measures like runs and RBIs; they're based instead on individual measures including, critically, fielding grades. So, frustratingly, Trea Turner's season is tarnished for APBA purposes with every error he makes. In the more common Rotisserrie (spelling?) stats-accumulation game, I don't believe that player fielding counts for anything other than how it affects playing time and position.

[Sabin]

Lol, I actually haven't. Figured you had to be talking about that, but got more caught up in a momentary 'you're getting even older than you thought' over the notion the movie might've been nearly ten years older than I thought.

[bkeich]

guess I really don't know much about fantasy baseball if runs and RBIs don't count for a lot!

There are different fantasy games. The league I'm in is an APBA league, the cards-based game where a season of baseball is played with dice and cards which replicate players' performance from the previous year. It's a keeper league, so part of the fun is watching players accumulate stats for next year. I'm pleased as punch, for example, that TJ Friedl may be my starting CF next year.

But card grades don't care about team-based measures like runs and RBIs; they're based instead on individual measures including, critically, fielding grades. So, frustratingly, Trea Turner's season is tarnished for APBA purposes with every error he makes. In the more common Rotisserrie (spelling?) stats-accumulation game, I don't believe that player fielding counts for anything other than how it affects playing time and position.

I just found my 1980s APBA and bought a few updates. Now I just need the time to play​

[bkox]

Marlins and Cubs win. Phillies cannot clinch tonight. None of the three teams play tomorrow.

— Matt Gelb ( @MattGelb ) September 24, 2023

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

I see my childhood idol doing color commentary again tonight. Does anyone know if he flies in for these games or does he have another home nearby?

[zambonir]

I bet he has a place in the area, or at the Shore. But pretty easy to just fly up from Florida too, it's only Sundays and only home games. Probably in his contract.

[Jazzhead]

I just found my 1980s APBA and bought a few updates. Now I just need the time to play​

If you do, I'd be pleased to let you know about a darn good APBA league!

[bkox]

He flies up. He has left early some Sundays when the game has been delayed so not to miss his flight home.

And last year during the 80 reunion when he caught COVID and couldnt be there for the ceremony, he said he was recording his message from his hotel room.

[BostonRoss]

I guess he changed his flight today after they moved the start time of the game.

[BaseballCat]

Fuld linked to Boston. Not surprising
https://www.si.com/mlb/phillies/news/philadelphia-phillies-general-manager-emerges-front-runner-boston-red-sox-vacancy

[zambonir]

Drew Ellis cleared waivers. He can refuse the assignment. It's all kind of moot I guess. Had someone claimed him he would have been controllable (but then he would have had to stay on the 40, and he's also out of options after this year).

[Philsmania]

Fuld linked to Boston. Not surprising
https://www.si.com/mlb/phillies/news/philadelphia-phillies-general-manager-emerges-front-runner-boston-red-sox-vacancy

The price of success. Speaking hypothetically if he was to leave, who would be next, Velandia?

[zambonir]

FWIW that is a pretty weak item for now - one line in Nightengale's column, repeated verbatim by the clickbait, reporting-free SI site. Hardly moves the needle beyond us (and various professionals) mentioning he'd be an obvious candidate when Bloom got fired. Ordinarily I'd also point out Nightengale's penchant for getting things wrong but in this case he's not really claiming to have any scoop.

I still wouldn't assume it happens. That is a difficult ownership to work for and nobody knows that better than Dombrowski. And Fuld's previous connection to the organization that made him a managerial candidate was Bloom (from their Tampa days).

Dombrowski has four years left on his contract (originally next year would have been the last) but they could easily give Fuld a raise and put a succession plan into place starting around 2026. Kind of the same way they held on to Long for now.

Velandia or the more recent hire from Tampa perhaps?

[Austinfan]

Middleton I think is like Lurie, he'll write the check if it's needed.

[Austinfan]

Meanwhile, Kerkering looked like the real thing, 100 MPH FB on the edge, then 88 slider with a nice break.
Good luck, hitters.

[Callison]

Just when the Phils look like they're running out of arms, Kerkering shows up.

And Lorenzen shows up.

[bkeich]

Just one game against a non-playoff team. Let's not go too crazy here