2018 Trade Deadline rumors/speculation

[flyers19rw]

Baltimore has allowed this thing to go on too long. Someone in the Orioles organization has made a major mistake here by allowing the discussion of MM wanting to be a Yankee to get legs. This has to drive down the return any team would be willing to pay for him since he becomes purely a rental under these conditions.
There are people here who are counting on the contacts that the Phillies have in their FO to be a significant factor in signing MM. That may prove to be true. However the Yankees are a draw, especially for a Latino player. Not that the Phillies don't have a LA presence on their roster but those players aren't of the prominence of those with the Yankees. Then, who was the last LA star to play on the Phillies? Abreu? How did that work out for him? Many people detested his style of play-too many walks. Even now, Herrera has had scorn dumped on him that has been undeserved as he has been ripped for being lackadaisical, too flamboyant, etc. The Phillies have money to sign anyone but the atmosphere here may work against them.

[Austinfan]

I don't think the is Abreu or even Herrera, it's just that NYC has a large Hispanic population where LA players can feel at home, but more important, if you sign for $350M, you can live in Manhattan in a penthouse, hobnob with stars in the offseason (endorsements? so what, you're already filthy rich), take advantage of everything the city has to offer (tickets to Hamilton? No Problem!).

Philly can't compete with that, it has the same weather, location, crumbing infrastructure, traffic, etc. without the perks.
LA offers sunshine, Malibu and Hollywood.
Miami offers no taxes and South Beach.

Boston, Chicago, Philly are at a disadvantage, they have money and history, but also taxes and are relatively boring.
Texas cities have no taxes, but Texas is only attractive to certain players.
Then there are all the franchises that lack money, history or something to draw players.

[EDmuch]

If you sign for $350 million you can live in a penthouse in Philly and got to a top of the line hotel in either LA or New York at the drop of a hat. AF you show almost a sort of cultural ignorance to assume that certain groups always chose the glamour and superficiality of New York and LA. Lots of famous athletes, including Mike Trout, chose to live in places other than La La lands. Because you can manipulate baseball statistics does not mean you can read human hearts and minds. Not every one is superficial.

[California_Dreamin]

EDmuch..exactly! This talk that the Phillies can't compete with the Yankees or Dodgers is balderdash, ask Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee or Chase Utley where they most loved playing. There is likely no better place to play baseball than in Philadelphia when the team is winning...and they will win with MM.

And for all this talk about how Abreu was treated, he always said he loved his time in Philadelphia and tellingly re-signed with the team when he could have chosen free agency. Herrera certainly didn't hesitate to commit to the team and city.

This is a golden opportunity, one that the Phillies will likely never have again in all our time together on this site. A guy who is one of the best half dozen players in baseball available to a team that knows him well, has a chance to win a pennant, on a team where he would be playing with guys his own age, in a city that he is likely to own, with an ownership ready to pay him a king's ransom.

Fellow Phillie friends, this is the moment we have waited for since Ryan Howard tore his Achillies Heel back in 2011. Does it mean getting him at any cost? Of course not and the Phillies know that. But to not get him simply because of a fear he will leave for NY or LA after the season seems to fly in the very face of their mantra for the year...Be Bold.

I for one prefer to try and fail than to not try at all.

[baseballoldie]

I have no doubt they are going to get him. We will find out soon.

[Squire]

A https://fancredsports.com/articles/phillies-getting-aggressive-in-manny-machado-pur

I looked for discussion of the above article in this thread but couldn't find any. Apologize if I missed it, Mentions the following players as in the various discussions:

Altherr
Franco
Medina
Kilome
Suarez
Gamboa
J. Ortiz

Edit: it says that those are names that Jim Salisbury has mentioned.

[California_Dreamin]

Squire...yes, I saw that yesterday. Apparently Baltimore is very interested in Gamboa and it is a potential boon for Baltimore that Medina was just added to the All Star team to replace DeLos Santos.

Salisbury did not mention Crawford.

[EDmuch]

If those are the names in play, the I have little doubt that the Phils will part with some combination of those players in order to get Manny.

[EDmuch]

If the Phils could pick up both Manny & Britton, they would be the favorites to win the NL pennant.

[tom81]

Heyman, like me, really does think Machado to the Phillies makes sense. Here is an interview.

Latest Manny Machado rumors

[flyers19rw]

Maybe there are things going on that I don't see but the LA players this season seem to be more content with things than in the past. No one is popping off to the media about players being misused like Benoit did last season. Cesar is being seen as a notch below AS level, a good leadoff hitter and not being ripped by some dissatisfied fans. Odubel is being accepted as a talent and his eccentricities overlooked by most. Lately Franco is getting props for improving in the field and at the plate. Perhaps it is the manager and his staff; it could be Santana having a positive influence, or the winning but it seems to be a more tranquil situation. If MM wants to see the positive side of being a Phillies, these are things that should matter.

[gmwannabe]

is de los santos this generation's version of fergie jenkins? for those who do not know, that trade has my vote for the worst phillies trade in history.
gm

[zambonir]

If you could trade De Los Santos straight up for Manny Machado that would mean you traded Freddy Galvis for Manny Machado.

[tom81]

Which would be great on Karma alone.

[Purduke]

Might be tough making Preller's 5 worst list. I mean Freddie has stabilized the Padre's pitching staff to the point that they ARE 2 games better than the league's worst record.

[zambonir]

Heyman, like me, really does think Machado to the Phillies makes sense. Here is an interview.

That's mostly tweets and cuts and pastes from other sources. The most interesting one is from Duquette, saying that he thinks Machado would move back to 3B. Of course, he would say that.

I think the feeling and speculating that this trade was going to happen sooner than later doesn't pass the test of history. Most big trades get made in the final days unless a team steps up with a pre-emptive offer. And Yankees rumors can only be good for the Orioles - especially if they are true.

[schillingfan]

This phan's opinion is that I don't mind overpaying for Manny, but not a huge overpay. I would not trade any on the 25 man roster, or Crawford, unless the team has soured on him. We have lots of minor league pitchers. Pivetta and Eflin weren't top prospects when we got them. Offer numbers of pitchers, which I understand Baltimore needs. Luckily we have them. I want to make the playoffs this year.

A-Town, the Phillies have carefully crafted an image of Odubel as a talented, loveable goofy guy. What the announcers and pre and post game guys emphasize is that he is just a "different" guy. Key point is he can't be changed.

[gmwannabe]

Thinking on this trade and while watching the game today, with another somewhat higher ERA pitcher, is Machado enough to put this offense over the top? or is something else needed?
gm

[baseballoldie]

I think the Machado and Britton deal to the Phillies gets done right after the All-Star game. Wednesday July 18 would be a great date to complete the trade. It lets Manny participate in the All-Star game as an Oriole and is a great way to conclude his time as an Oriole.

[Florida_Sunshine]

We have the 7th best record in baseball and that says something. We are by no way a finished product, but we are getting better and are now probably getting a little spoiled. A game like today, I doubt Machado would have made a difference. It is why we play 162 games, and some are blowouts, some are stinkers. Overall, we do seem to do well in close games.

I caution with raiding the farm too much for a player that is only a rental. That puts us back in the position we were in years ago when we were trying to acquire one or two players that would put us over the top. I do not think Machado puts us over the top. We need more. The good news for us is that the Braves are coming back to earth and the Nationals just can't get it together.