The New New Unending Flyers thread

[bigegypt0417]

I would be in support of an offer sheet for a 2nd rounder with a player on a team with virtually no chance of matching.

[VoteForKalas]

York contract is apparently all but done too.

Glad to hear that. I was concerned the stressed relationship culminating in the blowup with Torts could lead to York being traded. I think he will bounce back under Tocchet and is one of the better young D options we have.

[Austinfan]

When you look at the possible LHV roster there are a lot of players who could push for PT at some point this season.

Gaucher (25) - strong PO performance, big, good scorer, solid defensively, lacks speed for C but might end up at RW
Dorwart (23) top college FA, decent speed, two way center, 4C candidate
Rizzo (24), top college scorer, lost season due to Appendicitis surgery in early October

Tuomaala (22) - speed, shot, needs to polish game, improve defense and playmaking.
Gendron (22) - speed, quickness, 20 goals in 63 games, needs to get stronger, improve defense and playmaking
Wisdom (23) - strong rebound season, took off when he was put on Gaucher's line
Grebenkin (22) - big, skilled, agile in short area and good passer, has been inconsistent but lot of pro experience at young age (142 KHL, 47 AHL, 7 NHL) could surprise. Top six upside
Barkey (20), captain of Memorial Cup championship London team, once over mono was top CHL scorer, just needs more strength (5'10 170)
Bump (22), top player on NCAA Champions MSU, struggled with pressure against Hershey in AHL POs

Bonk (20), will push for job in TC, should be starting in Philly by end of season, prototype stay at home D-man
Grans (23), steadily improved last two seasons, good sized RHD with some skill
McDonald (23), big mobile LHD, played on 1st pair with Belpedio, top college defensive D-man, showed same skills in AHL, +6 in 7 PO games. Could be Seeler's replacement
Samson (22) - already has two full AHL seasons, Aug B-day, so still runway left, has decent skills and has shown improvement

At some point Briere will want to look at a bunch of these guys to see how they project as depth down the road.
It's up to these players to impress in TC and during the AHL season.
And a strong LHV team is a good environment for players on ATOs at the end of the season.

[VoteForKalas]

The Killer B's of Bonk, Bump and Barkey will be fun to watch

[zambonir]

Of course signing him also makes him eminently tradeable. I think somebody is still the odd man out of the undersized/more skilled D, but you'd be selling low on him now anyway.

[VoteForKalas]

Yes, that same thought crossed my mind too. I'm just hoping they do not do it. Tired of us trading away young talent and watching it thrive elsewhere.

[Austinfan]

Think the key is patience.

Though the Flyers haven't lost anyone of significance (other than Ghost, but he was no prospect) since Sharp, Williams and Seidenberg, and that was two decades ago - partially b/c they haven't had that much talent to lose!

As younger players develop, the current grouip of near NHL prospects will either win jobs, and force trades of starters, or get moved out to make room for the next tranche.

This season, roster space shouldn't be that big of an issue unless every young prospect emerges at the same time, which is a good problem. By the TDL and next summer, I expect Hathaway, Seeler and Risto to be gone, and maybe one or two young players.

[rkeden]

Do we know when the development camp will start?

[xogfog]

Hasn't been announced yet, but should come soon.

[VoteForKalas]

Letting Sergei Bobrovsky go was very significant

[zambonir]

Well, at this point it's not like they are dumping young guys to bring in old guys, or futilely chasing rings prematurely. Hopefully the next time they trade a player in his 20s it will be because an even younger player is ready for that job, or they've made a really good trade.

[LegoDoom]

It will be interesting to hear people rationalize that pick

By many accounts, Martone was the 3rd best prospect, no rationalization required.

As someone who wanted a non center at #6, there is no rationalization for me, but plenty people (not just on this forum) said "best center" should be the pick.

I don't think Zegras should change things to be honest.

[bigegypt0417]

Maybe they can't make it seem rational to you but frankly there were almost no mocks that had Martone falling to 6 and they didn't trade a a good C prior to the draft.

In many of the lists he was in the top 5.

[zambonir]

They still took a center of course, at #12.

But who are "people" and what does it matter what they think? Now that the draft is over all that matters is what the team did not what other fans or journalists thought would or should happen. We have several years left to still second-guess that!

[bigegypt0417]

Marner traded to Vegas and will sign an 8 year/96 million dollar deal.

Return isn't clear yet.

Golden Knights land Mitch Marner with 8-year extension in sign-and-trade with...

[zambonir]

Shouldn't be that high. It let them give him 8 instead of 7 (in addition to the exclusive window). Unless there was a bidding war.

[Docs]

Nicolas Roy was traded to the Leafs in the deal.

[Docs]

No qualifying offers for forwards Jakob Pelletier, Elliot Desnoyers or Zayde Wisdom, meaning they’ll be UFA’s tomorrow

[zambonir]

I noticed Briere was kind of lukewarm on Pelletter in his recent Inquirer interview. They just gonna let Desnoyers sign with Utah?

[Docs]

but plenty people (not just on this forum) said "best center" should be the pick.

assuming that you are mostly off the grid and not consuming the public feedback, it seems like people are thrilled that Martone was available and picked by the Flyers and 50/50 split on using 2 firsts to move up to 12 to take Nesbitt, who has middle six upside. Consensus seems to be excitement over the 2nd round picks and overall happy with the draft. I don't think anyone was complaining about Martone after the draft, perhaps a smart strategy for DB to give everyone something else to talk about 6 picks later .