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[Lawman]

the "kid" was illegally carrying a gun...he was the actual one breaking the law and then killed 2 people. He was 17 and carrying a weapon.

If he isn't breaking the law, no one dies.

No disagreement from me on this one.

[bigegypt0417]

I'm not saying this is typical but...

https://twitter.com/coachMGM/status/1299033838459539457?s=19

[julio]

Before 2001, lots of people - ordinary people, as well as religious leaders, argued that priests abusing minors were outliers, “not typical.”

Then the Boston Globe’s Spotlight team uncovered the truth, and things began to change.

I cannot say whether what this video depicts is “typical” or not; but what we have seen with regard to other depravity, and the institutional willingness to close ranks and protect the depraved from the consequences of their crimes, does give one pause - or should, at least.

[bkox]

Christian Crowdfunding Site Raising Money For Kenosha Killer Kyle Rittenhouse

Over 3300 individual donations... nearing $150k. People calling him a true patriot

[schillingfan]

No doubt the same people who gave Steve Bannon money to build the wall.

[bkox]

[teabag259]

Earlier this week Breonna Taylor was mentioned here to make a racial point. I just spent the time to read several articles on the situation including the 41 page affidavit on the investigation, raids, and suspect interviews.

To view her death as anything remotely race related is preposterous. In a nutshell she paid the ultimate price for her relationship with a known drug dealer. She bailed him out of jail, was caught on wiretaps talking to him about her unease about his drug dealing, she moved and laundered money for him, and moved packages occasionally for him. THere was no warrant executed at a wrong address. When they executed the warrant at her apartment her boyfriend shot at police with Taylor standing right behind him. Immediately After firing at police (and shooting one) the boyfriend jumped sideways out of the hallway, leaving Taylor standing there. As he dodged sideways police had begun firing back at him. Taylor was hit and unfortunately killed. It’s a shame she was killed but her choices in life are what led to her ultimate demise.

[bkox]

You are a disgusting individual if thats your conclusion on the Breanna taylor incident.

[allentown]

We can put Breonna Taylor's death down largely to the failed war on drugs and the style of policing and extremely well armed drug gangs it has spawned. No knock, and 'ha ha, we sort of knocked and announced ourselves' home entries should not be permitted, apart from hostage situations and active shooters barricaded in houses. The DAs and police department love the war on drugs, because it has led to the legal seizure of money, as well as drugs and weapons. That can be a big source of revenue for the locals. Money has been seized, even when no drugs found, even when no charges brought in court. Conservative as well as liberal commentators and academics have written about what a disaster these seizure laws are -- really a great disgrace in what is supposed to be a constitutional republic/democracy, where the citizenry is assumed to have substantial inherent, constitutional, and statutory rights. Right to own property? Not if a DA or police department suggests that the money might possibly have come from the drug trade.

Barely announced police entries into residences with people inside are bound to result in tragedies like this. We also have self-defense and stand-your-ground (in many states) and right to own guns (different levels of licensing requirements in various states), so this sort of home entry is likely to result in an armed resident firing upon what he believes to be a home invasion.

Even if we can't kill the war on drugs, and we definitely should -- and transfer the $ to drug treatment and mental health programs -- 'he might flush the evidence' is a very poor excuse for these dangerous home entries.

If you are part of a police home entry team and are fired upon, it's natural and self-defense to fire back. You can't prevent this sort of incident by insisting that the police be slower to shoot. It is the sudden home entry itself, which is the problem.

Drugs remain very easily available in America, as they always have been. The war on drugs has accomplished nothing, other than death, pain, and increasingly well armed police and criminals.

Our governor wants to legalize recreational marijuana. If the feds don't interfere, it would be a step forward, even if done for the wrong reasons (to raise revenue rather than to deal with marijuana in the best possible manner).

Actually, the end result would be good. The biggest danger from marijuana comes from the feds periodically spraying marijuana fields with herbicide.

[el-pietro]

I'm going to assume this is in response to me. I listed a number of black people murdered, mostly by police, in 2020. The fact that your response is to investigate them and look for a reason that they were at fault for their own deaths says so much about you. This is exactly what the media has done for each of these people... oh they were on drugs, they had been arrested before, they were in a relationship with someone with a criminal record, so their death is justified.

Its disgusting.

[teabag259]

In instances where money is seized and no drugs are found it is actually very easy for those who had their money seized to get it back. All they have to do is show some semblance of a paper trail indicting how they got that money. If it was legally obtained there will always be records of it somewhere.

[Patchmk88]

I live in Louisville and have followed the Taylor case pretty closely. The newspaper had a good article with some fact checking:

FACT CHECK: Debunking 8 widely shared rumors in the Breonna Taylor police...

I think it’s going to be hard to convict the officers of murder or even manslaughter in a court of law. Still, I think they were reckless in their actions. The biggest problem though is the process that let this happen. No knock warrants are useless in non life threatening situations, luckily our police department had made some procedural changes. Also I hope there is some major pressure from locals to vote out the judge that issued it when she is up for re-election.

At the end of it all, an innocent black woman got killed, because of a warrant that should have never been issued and definitely not as a “no knock”. It is hard to make a final conclusion, but it also seems as if the officers did not announce themselves as police, like they said they did, before knocking the door out to enter.

I personally do not own a gun because I don’t trust myself with one and because of incidents like these. However, her boyfriend (not a drug dealer or criminal) had all the right to fire on someone breaking into his girlfriend’s home without announcing themselves as law enforcement. The result was a policeman getting shot in the leg and an innocent black women getting killed in her own home when she had committed no crimes. A complete failure of our law enforcement and justice system.

[allentown]

The police feel on the defensive. In some of these cases they do what truly unacceptably aggressive techniques taught to them in official training programs instruct them to do. They use military tactics and extremely hazardous to the public tactics like no-knock entries and high speed car chases, which often they have been encouraged is the proper approach. Feeling defensive, they have circled the wagons, successfully lobbied for just about complete immunity, and as individuals as through their unions defended, including by lying, concealing, and planting evidence, fellow police officers, whose conduct they know to be egregiously wrong. The whole team protects the bad apples, all too often.

The police and their defenders insist that these are scattered incidents, that there are just a few bad apples, that most of these incidents wouldn't even happen if the victims hadn't resisted arrest, or run, or driven away. The solution is for the affronted victim groups to change their attitude and behaviors, involving interactions with police. The police, to this casual observer, don't consider and actively fight efforts to change their own behavior, to soften the ways in which they interact with the communities they police.

Both the broken-windows intimidation approach and the policing-for-dollars quest for fine money and confiscated money and valuables to support the local police, do not promote respect for the police. Neither do imperious or rude interactions with members of minority communities, who most definitely are treated differently than middle-aged white people.

My neighboring community of South Whitehall often has a police car positioned on the island at the intersection of Cedar Crest Blvd and Tilghman St. It is always positioned to catch Allentonians leaving the city for work in the morning, then faced in the opposite direction to catch those returning from work or school in the evening. Allentown is a very poor community, with its own rather expensive police department. South Whitehall is a wealthy community with a far, far lower tax rate. This is a cynical ploy on the part of the South Whitehall commissioners and police department to tax poor residents of Allentown, rather than taxing their own residents with fines for minor things like a slightly out-of-date inspection certificate, or previously, license plate sticker. Like the stop-and-frisk of young minority males, simply for being young minority males, it breeds a dislike for the police.

[allentown]

In any major paper, including the conservative Wall Street Journal, you could have read over the past couple years the tales of those who didn't find the process all that easy. They had to hire a lawyer and sue in court. The local authorities fight to keep their booty.

[schillingfan]

You are a disgusting individual if thats your conclusion on the Breanna taylor incident.

Perhaps that explains the social media moniker, unless he is a fan of Earl Grey. See the television series Prison Break

[allentown]

I think we're getting a little personal folks! I should have said something sooner, this is not directed specifically (or at least only) at SF, but we seem to have veered into ad hominem. Please argue facts, and not make suppositions about the mindsets of other posters or insult other posters. That is among the most fundamental operating rules of this forum.

[schillingfan]

In any major paper, including the conservative Wall Street Journal, you could have read over the past couple years the tales of those who didn't find the process all that easy. They had to hire a lawyer and sue in court. The local authorities fight to keep their booty.

Yes. I have drafted multiple Motions for Return of Property, and drafted a Brief for the Commonwealth Court. In Pennsylvania, even receipts are not enough if the money is in close proximity to to contraband.

[schillingfan]

I. Was trying to be subtle. Sorry.

[bkox]

Eh.. Im pretty sure it was me and I knew I went over the line when I posted... but it literally made me feel sick in the stomach when I read that post blaming the victim

[julio]

In instances where money is seized and no drugs are found it is actually very easy for those who had their money seized to get it back. All they have to do is show some semblance of a paper trail indicting how they got that money. If it was legally obtained there will always be records of it somewhere.

Guilty until/unless you can demonstrate your innocence? Guilt is presumed?

How “American.”

You shall know them by their words.