Winter 2016-17 Trade Speculation and Wish List

phillychuck 2016-12-02 01:15:08 UTC #15

Just so everyone knows, personally I think Ether wold be a horrible signing. He's been overrated ever since AAA in the PCL bandboxes. Stick it to the Dodgers. I'd rather have Utley back.

Slinging_Southpaw 2016-12-02 01:25:20 UTC #16

When I suggested the deal, it was to take on Ethier's contract the same way we took on Harrison's, not expecting much from the individual player, all about everything else we got in return. Anything we got out of, or for Ethier would be a bonus.

phillychuck 2016-12-02 01:36:08 UTC #17

That makes sense if the prospects we get are pretty special. Cody Bellinger? Jose DeLeon? One of them, and an A-ball player with upside...

Slinging_Southpaw 2016-12-02 01:56:04 UTC #18

I was thinking along the lines of multiple prospects that didn't need protecting on the 40 man roster(Verdugo?).

allentown 2016-12-02 02:53:53 UTC #19

I don't mind that approach, but still would not include Tirado. He is just too good an arm.

julio 2016-12-03 16:02:06 UTC #20

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Squire 2016-12-03 15:36:25 UTC #22

So I am trying to construct an imaginary trade around RHP Hector Neris to the Cubs for OF Jorge Soler. Neris cheaply replaces Chapman and allows the Cubs to focus on resigning Fowler which makes Soler (who I believe has fallen out of favor) expendable. Who has to add what to make this deal happen?

phillychuck 2016-12-03 16:58:48 UTC #23

I don't think Neris is seen by MLB as anything more than a fungible reliever. I think we'd have to add another decent, AA-or-higher reliever to give the Cubs another option for the bullpen. Maybe the oft-mentioned Tirado, but that might be too much.

andyb 2016-12-03 18:00:49 UTC #24

Agree there is some skepticism on Neris and the league did figure out his split a bit and are laying off it more. I am not sure the Cubs would see Neris as a closer, but he is the type of low cost arm they could look for now that the salary cap will be harder. They do not want to spend $15 million a year, especially when they are rumored to be the most likely destination for Otani. They probably want to be in the range of the luxury tax line in most years. Going over to add a piece in the second half of the season but not wanting to spend $75 million on a closer when their own players will get expensive in a few years.

Austinfan 2016-12-03 18:14:01 UTC #25

I don't see Neris as a "fungible reliever," rather as a high ceiling/low floor gamble, he has velocity and the splitter, he needs to locate the splitter more consistently to set up his fastball and any third pitch he develops. But his splitter is a plus plus pitch.

Neris could definitely be a closer, or just end up as a "Garcia" type who looks great one game and a pinata the next.

Gomez is a "fungible reliever."

phillychuck 2016-12-03 21:44:35 UTC #26

Neri throws a hard fastball, but it's straight and hittable. His fastball hasn't been an above average pitch in the majors in his first three years despite its velocity according to fangraphs.

tom81 2016-12-07 00:52:52 UTC #27

I think they have one trade to do, after shoring up the bullpen they still need a of bat to hit in he middle of the order. I think JD Martinez for Cesar Hernandez makes sense if the Tigers can trade Kinsler first. Kendrick goes to 2b and the young guys play LF.

Austinfan 2016-12-08 19:18:26 UTC #28

I'm not sure a 30 year old RH bad fielding OF who has an unsustainable BABIP of .378 is the best bet for a rebuilding team.
We've already have 3 RH power bats in the middle of our lineup (Franco, Joseph, Rupp), we need a LH to balance them.

tom81 2016-12-08 23:48:08 UTC #29

I disagree.
1. JD Martinez was born Aug 21, 1987 and will be 29 most of the year.
2. He is a bad fielder so hide him in LF and let Herrera cover more ground from CFand let Quinn/Altherr play RF..
3. His BABIP in the last 3 years has been .389/.339/.378 so .378 is not out of the question while a little lower would be possible.
4. He hits RHP very well, OPSs vs RHP of .880/.870/.925 in is last three years.
5. He is possibly only a short term rental obtained from a team that is trying to cut salary. This implies you might be able to get him for a reasonable price.
6. He improves the team in the short term and can be flipped at the deadline, offered a long term contract if he fits in, or presented a QA next offseason giving you either an extra year of him or some draft picks.

I think he fits in really well for a rebuilding team that will have two LH OFs in their AAA team next year with one or both potentially ready for a midseason call up. I certainly don't want us to go after a mediocre OF with a long term contract just because he hits left handed.

Slinging_Southpaw 2016-12-18 00:28:25 UTC #30

One player that I'd like to see the Phillies inquire about is Robbie Grossman. He was actually released by the Indians last season, but once he got claimed by the Twins, he went on to have a solid season. He's only 27, a switch hitter, plays all 3 outfield positions and can't qualify for Free Agency until 2021(also like that he has the ability to take a walk), so he could be a really solid pick-up, if last season wasn't a fluke. I'd much rather take a chance on him than Michael Saunders(for the right price in trade).

julio 2016-12-18 02:05:59 UTC #31

Apparently not. Per Jerry Crasnick:

tom81 2016-12-18 03:21:48 UTC #32

Would you consider Altherr for Martinez a reasonable price or too much?

julio 2016-12-18 03:51:35 UTC #33

I might do that - but based on Crasnick's tweet, and the fact that nobody has yet satisfied the Tigers, I'm not so sure that the Tigers would do that.

zambonir 2016-12-18 06:21:14 UTC #34

The Tigers can either afford to hang on to him until the trade deadline or they can't, but I still wouldn't give up anyone of note (including Altherr, but also Quinn, Hernandez, Williams, various pitchers) for a one-year rental unless more was coming back with him. Some contenders may also be happy to see if he ends up on a team (the Phillies included) who might flip him. Because "young controllable talent' implies current major leaguers. So sure, if the Phillies were trying to win this year and wanted to upgrade the OF by trading Altherr or Hernandez plus someone else, that would be a good deal if they thought it made the team better (questionable but not impossible wrt Hernandez). But it's not a good deal to improve a team that still might not finish over .500.

tom81 2016-12-18 11:48:59 UTC #35

Martinez may not technically be "just a 1 year" rental though. We would get the opportunity for trade him, exclusively negotiate with him on a n extension, or give him a QO thereby either getting a second year or some extra draft pics,