GDT 10/22/22 San Diego Padres (Clevinger) @ Philadelphia Phillies (Falter)

[zambonir]

Glenside, Pennsylvania.

Today I'll be at the ballpark. But I haven't changed my shirt since the Game 2 loss (during the games, anyway).

[BaseballCat]

Same here. Plus a few other superstitions. We do what we can to help!

[el-pietro]

Just spotted Nola in the dugout.

[LoneStarPhan]

Good Nola didn't fly to SD yesterday. Just can't miss the celebrations.

I guess Nola starts game one and Wheeler game two of the WS.

[el-pietro]

Game 1 is Friday right? So they could go with either of them in game 1. I'd be inclined to go with Wheeler for a few reasons. First hed be available for a possible game 5 in Philadelphia. Second, Nola would get to pitch game 2 and potentially 6, both in the warm weather in Houston, and finally, if it goes 7, I'd feel better bringing in Wheeler for a few innings on short rest rather than Nola.

[bkeich]

I would almost try to lineup Wheeler for 1, 4, 7 and Nola for 2 and 5 or 6. I realize that is really pushing Wheeler, but this is it for the season. I also might say to plan on Wheeler doing game 4 only for 5 innings

[zambonir]

It never would have happened but would have been something if Aaron, rather than Suarez, had been tasked with getting his brother out to end the series.

And it's moot now, but did San Diego even send their Game 6 starter home?

[bkox]

And it's moot now, but did San Diego even send their Game 6 starter home?

He was shown in the dugout around the 8th inning

[zambonir]

See that seems like it would have been an easier call (and advantage). He wasn't gonna miss a celebration and doing it also would have sent the opposite message as the Phillies doing it.

[EastFallowfield]

Phils record after 10 postseason games in one season:

1980 6-4
1993 5-5
2008 8-2
2009 8-2
2022 8-2

[zambonir]

This one is feeling pretty 2009 to me but hey ya gotta believe!

[EastFallowfield]

We've already achieved 1993-dom, which is still a legendary Phils season, despite having the same end result as the 2009 one, which isn't looked back upon so fondly.

[LoneStarPhan]

I think the difference between 2009 and 1993 is that in 2009, we were the current champions, having won the WS in 2008. We almost expected to win again in 2009. The team probably was improved over the 2008 team. Not winning was a let down. In 1993, we were the surprise team. I think the Phillies were a last place team in 1992. Just getting to the WS was a huge surprise to the baseball world. Yes, it was crushing to not win in 1993, but after the dust settled, it was still a very memorable season.

Now I certainly am not saying that just getting to the WS is good enough this year, but we do have to admit, most of us did not expect to see the Phillies in the World Series in 2022. Dare we hope that this miracle season can continue on to a world championship? You never know, it just might.

But even if the Astros do go on to win this series, I do not anticipate the let down and disappointment of losing to the Yankees in 2009. 2022 is going to be remembered as a very memorable and loved season by most Phillies phans.

[zambonir]

Funny, that. The 2009 season was certainly not chopped liver. Cliff Lee! Another great win over the Dodgers (Jimmy!). But Cole and Lidge were not the same and the Yankees were too good (and a bit like this Phillies team, in fact, except they also had an elite closer).

This one really shouldn't feel anything like '93, in terms of payroll and baseball cards and so forth. It is achieving what should have been achieved any or all of the last three easons. But having failed to do so, the moment feels more scrappy and unlikely than it probably is. For all the fuss about the wild cards the LCS teams were all big-money, heavily favored clubs, it's just that on the NL side they'd disappointed until now.

[allentown]

The odds say same result as 2009, but very different to me. I think the 2009 team was the stronger team and they didn't make it. This team has outperformed expectations in every series. Watching them, they have more of the sense of hunger, spirit, determination, and fortune at their back as the 2008 team.

[Philsmania]

I think the difference between 2009 and 1993 is that in 2009, we were the current champions, having won the WS in 2008. We almost expected to win again in 2009. The team probably was improved over the 2008 team. Not winning was a let down. In 1993, we were the surprise team. I think the Phillies were a last place team in 1992. Just getting to the WS was a huge surprise to the baseball world. Yes, it was crushing to not win in 1993, but after the dust settled, it was still a very memorable season.

Now I certainly am not saying that just getting to the WS is good enough this year, but we do have to admit, most of us did not expect to see the Phillies in the World Series in 2022. Dare we hope that this miracle season can continue on to a world championship? You never know, it just might.

But even if the Astros do go on to win this series, I do not anticipate the let down and disappointment of losing to the Yankees in 2009. 2022 is going to be remembered as a very memorable and loved season by most Phillies phans.

A counterpoint is that you can look back at the 1993 and 2009 World Serieses and, in the case of 1993, really legitmately say "Dang, we should have won that Series." That eighth inning in Game 4 when we coughed up a 14-9 lead with four of the fateful runs coming with two out. Joe Carter hitting the homerun (which wasn't really off a bad pitch, Carter just had a good golf swing). Until the day I die, I will say that the 8th inning of Game 4 of that series was the worst moment of that World Series, not Carter's home run. When you think about it, the 1993 Phillies fell three outs short of a World Championship (if only that third out in the 8th inning of game 4 came a batter sooner and if only Carter hit into a doubleplay). Hence, in my book at least, the 1993 World Series gave a sour ending to what had been a true joyride of a season and the fact that the Phillies would not have a winning season until eight years later made that sourness linger and intensify. The 2009 World Series didn't really give me any moments or innings that I wanted back, except for maybe the 9th inning of Game 4 although you have give credit for Damon fouling off a couple hundred pitches.

[Philsmania]

Getting back to 2009, going to baseball-reference and Wikipedia and seeing how many teams went back the WS the year after winning it...the success rate for teams not named the Yankees trying to pull off the WS repeat is mediocre at best. Eighteen teams not named the Yankees have gone back to the World Series the year after winning it and only nine of them have won that second consecutive title. And only one in the last forty-six years (the '93 Blue Jays). The Yankees, however, are 12-4 in repeat attempts. I guess the moral of the story is that unless you're the Yankees, the climb back to the mountaintop is just as hard as the first climb up to it.

WIth the caveat that this WS has yet to be played, this feels like a little bit of both 1993 and 2009. The fight, spirit, camaradrie and the hunger of these guys and the sense of playing with house money reminds me of 1993 while facing a clearly-superior-on-paper opponent reminds me of 2009.

[BostonRoss]

I think I'm reminded more of 1983. That team had some holes but unexpectedly made it to the World Series. Of course the 2022 Phillies don't have so many geezers, but the 1983 had a superstar, a couple of aces, and a couple of youngsters with potential (Samuel and Hayes). I hope 2022 ends better than 1983.

[julio]

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[julio]